Has this occured to anyone on here yet?

[spiderman]

In real life AP (Advantage Players) do exist albeit a purported less then 1 percent. So are there any AP players winning with any RNG software? In order to prove the legitimacy of the software, like in real life, AP players must exist as well albeit in the very low pct. Whether it's RNG produced or shuffled, there is a trend to beat. This would be a good indicator whether all or most software are rigged or not. I very much can prove if the software will actually keep up with the normal probabilities with about million plays in about a month hypothetically if I were commissioned to do the painstaking task and put to rest the debate.

I digress, I really do think there should be some AP players out there one way or another, and if so I would like to know there experiences.

One other thing, B & R Casinos can be laborious but software based games you can whiz by the plays and win a lot in a short amount of time (just imagine what an AP player can do), how do 'honest' software based casinos deal with that then? Rhetorical question though, since I really don't think they can/are willing to put up with paying out consistent winners. I hope I am wrong.

[Mousey]

From what I've read, and seen, and experienced, the only way to be an advantage player is to use promos -- bonuses, free play, competitions, etc.

Comps in B&Ms -- in the online world 'comp' points are nearly worthless and can indeed be a negative -- food, meals, entertainment, etc. must all be factored into any 'advantage' play. Mathheads with systematic controlled play can sometimes... not nearly as much these days as in the past ... come out ahead.

If you read the video poker boards, you'll see moaning about the lack of 'good' games and promos at B&Ms.

The casino's advantage is built into the games. Advantage play is a numbers game, and I've never personally been able to cypher out whether a promo is 'good' or bad, and an advantage player must be able to do this.

There should be no 'trends' in gambling software, and have no bearing on a serious 'advantage' player and his play.

If an online player wins too often using bonuses (our only 'advantage') then the casino cuts off the bonuses... or bans the player outright. (Not playing in the spirit, blah, blah, blah....)

[KasinoKing]

In real life AP (Advantage Players) do exist albeit a purported less then 1 percent. So are there any AP players winning with any RNG software? In order to prove the legitimacy of the software, like in real life, AP players must exist as well albeit in the very low pct. Whether it's RNG produced or shuffled, there is a trend to beat. This would be a good indicator whether all or most software are rigged or not. I very much can prove if the software will actually keep up with the normal probabilities with about million plays in about a month hypothetically if I were commissioned to do the painstaking task and put to rest the debate.

I digress, I really do think there should be some AP players out there one way or another, and if so I would like to know there experiences.

Well I guess I am an advantage player, but by my own admission, not a terribly good one (there are LOADS of people who play a LOT more than me and have made a LOT more money than me!)
However, I have made profit most months, and every single year since 2001 - all with RNG software:

2010 total: Something over +$6,000 (Not finished correlating all data yet)
2009 total: +$8,464
2008 total: +$12,313
2007 total: +$8,427
2006 total: +$4,399
2005 total: +$5,008
2004 total: +$1,705
2003 total: +$4,059
2002 total: +$5,174
2001 total: +$576

You can view my month by month reports of how & where I did this, going right back to May 2001 starting from this page: http://www.kasinoking.co.uk/KKresults.htm

I know there are a few posters on this site who think online casinos are rigged. Personally I do not; if I did think that I wouldn't promote them and I certainly wouldn't play them!

KK

[spiderman]

Great input, KasinoKing. What are your withdrawal habits. Is consistently withdrawing moderate amounts at a time, versus accumulating a big "noticeable" bank before withdrawing, a safer and less conspicuous method or do they take "note" of any withdrawals small or large?

[KasinoKing]

Great input, KasinoKing. What are your withdrawal habits. Is consistently withdrawing moderate amounts at a time, versus accumulating a big "noticeable" bank before withdrawing, a safer and less conspicuous method or do they take "note" of any withdrawals small or large?

In the vast majority of cases I withdraw everything once I have met the WR -0%/+10%.

Like I said above - I don't believe casinos are rigged, so how much I withdraw at a time is irrelevant. I do sometimes split large withdrawals into smaller chunks; not because I am worried they might throw the "switch", but in the hope they wont ask for ID info. I'm OK with giving this info, but only if it's 100% necessary.

KK

[Lucky Loser]

I have been playing pokies mostly land based and losing horribly for the last 25 years but it has been great fun so I cannot complain too much.

I have been playing online for the last 18 months and have lost alot but have learned quite a bit at the same time. You can consistently win if you have discipline. Saying this I am often up quite a bit but get too greedy and don't cashout but those days are getting fewer and fewer. In the last 2 weeks I have squandered 2 big pays of $1700 at both 3dice and Spin Palace by being stupid and upping my bets until its all gone.

Anyway, for the first time in my life I am consistently making real money by playing slots online and am having a great time. I am up $26K since 1 December 2010. No really big hits just lots and lots of $400 to $3k collects at various casinos.

The trick seems to be:

1. set a gambling budget and be generous;
2. always play with bonuses;
3. if you deposit $50 and get 100% bonus play at least $2.50 per spin;
4. only take decent bonuses;
5. if taking a bonus only deposit small amounts unless you get 100%+ with good terms;
6. MG bonuses are the best because they are easy to clear;
7. CWC casinos and Inetbet have the best RTG bonus terms;
8. only play at Playtech casinos if you get a great bonus (too hard to win otherwise);
9. Dont reverse cashouts.

I now treat playing bonuses as a game that I try to beat. It seems to make a big difference. Once I meet playthrough I allow myself $100 to keep playing just in case I am on a big roll and cash out the rest.

Good luck. Hope these tips also work for others.

[spiderman]

In the vast majority of cases I withdraw everything once I have met the WR -0%/+10%.

Like I said above - I don't believe casinos are rigged, so how much I withdraw at a time is irrelevant. I do sometimes split large withdrawals into smaller chunks; not because I am worried they might throw the "switch", but in the hope they wont ask for ID info. I'm OK with giving this info, but only if it's 100% necessary.

KK

No dice, my friend. 7's comes in groups of two's, three's and once four's when ever a bet is in play more so than single 7's (which is my trigger). It's blatantly obvious, it's not even funny (I picked a random casino off your recommended page of your site for testing). Slots are programmed to give out wins but table games can't afford to give A. players the right math. 4/10, 5/9, 6/8 eerily comes out in pairs seemingly as well to make sure it doesn't 7 out. If this were real life, the table would be considered scorching hot for either Pass or Don't Pass players, one or the other (where usually it's always leveled out with no hot streaks either way). Whatever side I play, the other side will be scorching the table since it hits the opposite of my play on cue. They aren't willing to put up with volume play racking up small a pct from the get go and having the software keeping you in check is the least confrontational way to go. No need for diversion tactics person to person. The only way to get ahead is to license one for yourself.

*Update* I went on to Random.org and played the dice setting just right now and won 7 pretend units off the bat and I didn't even bother waiting for my trigger to kill the odds a little. The tell is that the 7 out does materialise on proper terms when it is expected and the consecutive 7's don't come out uncannily in droves as it should not. Hmmm, funny when there is no vested interest or money to lose - or gain - depending which side you are on, the math works out just fine.

[spiderman]

*Update* {Craps} I rolled another 4 in a row of 7's {1 in 1,296} interspersed with a few single 7's here and there. So for every 20+ or so single 7's that show up a 4 in a row of 7 should be due if their software is running to their "liking." Not to mention the plethora of 3 in a rows {1 in 216} thrown in there as well in just less than an hour of play. The industry is crooked, the lot of them.

[Seventh777]

IMHO there is only one way to really clean up being an AP and that is MGS tournaments that pay real cash and not bonus cash (as shown recently by our beloved VWM), a big gamble sure (around 3.5k dollars iirc), but a nice profit of 1.5k, if you have a good bank roll, copious amounts of amphetamines, and more patience than the Pope on rohypnol, then this is the way for you .

P.S.

I`m not saying that VWM takes speed, but fck, does this guy ever sleep lol?

[hittingpoints]

*Update* {Craps} I rolled another 4 in a row of 7's {1 in 1,296} interspersed with a few single 7's here and there. So for every 20+ or so single 7's that show up a 4 in a row of 7 should be due if their software is running to their "liking." Not to mention the plethora of 3 in a rows {1 in 216} thrown in there as well in just less than an hour of play. The industry is crooked, the lot of them.

As a professional craps player, I couldnt imagine trusting an online craps game. Especially since I operate in a circle of players that practice "dice control", which isnt what it sounds like, but does lower the house edge.

Plus, craps is a game that is popular and fun because of the excitement of the table, which isn't apparent online at all.