Casinos that groom you to get use to losing

[blacklabrador]

I was thinking this morning about how bad its become with certain online casinos. Rewind 5 years ago, all of you, and think about your cashout percentages as opposed to the last 12 months. Sickening, isn't it? I remember having months where I would hit 4 or 5 Royal flushes . Whats even sadder is that people continue to play on sites just because their games are unique, or they have excellent customer service, or pay out within 24 hours instead of 48 hours. Does any of that really matter if you only cash out one out of every 20 deposits? Do you really want to continue pissing money away because you have fun in a chat room, or because u think that random jackpot is due? Losing should not be the norm and people that continue to deposit on tight casinos are just accepting it as if it is the norm, like brainwashing.

When it comes to RTG sites, its 100% clear as day that the payouts on slots and video poker have gone South in the last 6 months, yet, you guessed it, people continue to deposit on RTG sites. Why? Why waste your time sitting there spinning 3-4 hundred spins only to win $2.75 cents when you do manage to get the bonus round? How is that enjoyable? The only way to put these casinos 6 feet under is to stop feeding these vultures. The only casinos I can feel good about depositing on and winning are Bellerock group, and English Harbour group. I use to play on Grand Bay but they switched software, anyone play on there? Weren't they rogued for something or am I thinking of someone else?

Anyhow, this site has both helped me and hurt me unfortunately. The way it helped is basically just sharing all out experiences on different kinds of games, software, etc etc. How it hurt was I dabbled on other casinos because I heard good things about them and I would have been better off not downloading them. Thank god I got off RTG months ago when I smelled something fishy after not cashing out on 20 something straight deposits. (And thats not a matter of me not knowing when to hit that cashout button, if I deposit $100 and run it into 4-500, Im cashing out.)

Before depositing next time in a casino that you continually lose on, just un-install the damn thing and deposit it on a casino that u do well at , even if you have been running bad.

[silcnlayc]

blacklabrador Casinos that groom you to get use to losing

I think you put the whole thing in a nutshell quite well. I believe you might have hit the nail on the head with this. Grooming...an interesting word to apply to what has been going on...yes, I like that word applied to the online casinos of today. Many are in a downward spiral...and are accepting it more and more...why? Interesting.

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[plasticnote]

Hi, I knew your feeling. I start online back to 2002 ~ 2003. Those good days were long gone. We used to play and had a fair chance to win. These days we just pay the money to buy a "win".

[petro]

I think I know what casino blacklabrador is talking about.

I wrote an email to the manager saying that I wouldn't play at a casino with such a low return to player.

I made it very kind and pointed out exactly the areas which I felt were the problem.

No reply of course.

I think that the only type of players they are interested in are the stupid ones willing to throw their money away.

Anyone looking for a fair chance to win just gets ignored.

[HadEnouth]

All online casios are rogue and crooks pretending to be above board. They always claim they cant be rogue as they are audited and have a licence. That dont mean nothing, Anyone can buy a licence, There is no true gambling regulation, That why there is so many stories of none payment for the stupid of reasons. Even when you win, you lose.

All online casinos are lieing about there return payout % pretentage. Dont take anyone with half a brain to see whats going on with them these days.

They all have become very greedy and the only thing you can be sure off, is lose lose lose lose lose lose lose and so on.

LADBROKES ARE A CLEAR EXAMPLE OF CROOKS, hence why they make so much profit every year. If a true audit was done of these casinos and all the so called big winners had to expose themselfs, You be shocked to find just how little the payback % is and how many of those so called big winners are insiders.

[CANADAMAN99]

I fully agree with the above statements. Even the accredited online casinos have become criminal in their payout percentages. I personally have decided to stop playing altogether until a casino comes along that offers fair play. It is very evident that the "accredited" RTG casino I play at has become just as rougue as the one's you all are playing at.

Some of the things I've seen recently are:

1. Less and lower features when betting higher amounts. After years of playing online I sometimes take the insane bonuses of "deposite 100 bucks and we'll gve you 500!" which the casino tacks on insane playthrough amounts. Amounts so high you would have too hit many random jackpots to even come close to reaching. When I get these insane features I always bet higher and the results are disasterous. Only when I'm low rolling on .25 or .50 do I ever hit features that are worth a damn. I also see that when I am lowrolling I hit many more features. In my opinion the casino can change the odds on the games at will.

2. I have spent 12K+ with the casino I play at and never hit anykind of random jackpot. The most I have won was a $600 spin which was great but besides that out of 30,000-40,000+ spins i have never hit a jackpot. When I used to play at Party Casino I remember seeing that jackpot box pop up at least 3-4 times. The casino I play at doesn't actually pay the jackpots and if they do I must be one of the unluckiest people in the world.

3. The slots are rigged. Sometimes the way they hit change and this throws off gameplay. I have no doubt that there has been many many times where a feature should have been triggered but the software prevented it.

4. The comps have become miserable. I deposited close to 1K this holiday season and my comps were in the 20-25 dollar range. That was what was great about my casino before is that they took care of their lousy gameplay with wonderful customer service and comps. That is no more and is one of the straws that broke the camels back. You can read one of my recent posts praising them for how great their comp program is but since that post things have changed and gone incredibly downhill.

Until we all decide we've had enough the criminal activity will continue. These casinos do not care about us as customers and will continue to stretch the winning lower and lower as time goes on.

As for me, I've had enough. I'm done and I can safely say that they don't give a crap about losing a long time player. I would love to find a casino that offers real odds. After going to Vegas over the holidays I got to see what honest gameplay looked like. The games we play and the casinos we play at online are far from honest. It's such a shame that these casinos have become so rougue because if they just loosened their belts a little bit they would continue to gain players and in the long run probably be better off.

[SlotMonster]

I REALLY suggest you to play at casinos with Randomness Control
This feature ruins all attempts to prove online casino is cheating

[silcnlayc]

SlotMonster I REALLY suggest you to play at casinos with Randomness Control
This feature ruins all attempts to prove online casino is cheating

Hmmmm...can you expand on this....


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[Nifty29]

There is nothing wrong with complaining about losing - everybody does it in varying degrees. What better place to express your emotions than a forum full of fellow gamblers?

The problem arises when people start throwing around completely baseless and unfounded accusations about particular casinos. Nothing even resembling evidence or fact is offered up, other than "I lost - they're all crooks!!"

I love a real conspiracy. I've never been someone who accepts something just 'because'. I base my views on my own experiences, and my view is that there are other factors involved in why some players feel they are losing more (or possibly ARE losing more) than they did 5 years ago.

The main difference from back then is the bonus terms. We all took bonuses on most of our deposits because you could get 5xDB in many places which gave us a good chance of coming out ahead. I made some good money back then, and I know others who made a hell of a lot more. It is possible, combined with a reasonable suggestion that RTP may have been reduced across the board, that players who once did quite well out of online casinos now find themselves in a different boat.

Do I believe that the major software providers cheat? No, because they don't have to cheat. The house edge, along with 30xDB+ bonus terms excluding just about every game except slots, ensures the casino will make lots of money. When you also add in factors such as bankroll management (plays a more important part than you think) and choice of game (variance etc), it shows that the reason some players are winning more than others (or losing less) may be a lot closer to home.

Players who state that particular casinos are 'crooks' and that they 'brainwash' players based solely on the fact that they didn't win there just make themselves look like unreasonable ranters especially when they do it at just about every opportunity.

The most illogical aspect about those who carry on with the 'all casinos are rigged' mantra is that you will see them post a day or two later about how they played at an online casino If you honestly think they are all crooks and cheats, and you continue to play, it either says something about you, or your opinion in the first place.

I would certainly respect a person who didn't deposit another cent because they came to the conclusion they were being cheated. I don't have any for someone who just keeps playing - they are being ripped off with their own 'permission'.

[Pulver]

For once I have to agree with what you are saying Nifty...

Having 1 or even 10 loosing sessions in a row isn't making the games rigged. And I think people should refrain from posting that well respected casinos are rigged just because they have never won there. I know how it feels, I have lost thousands myself at times and sweared that the whole thing is rigged from here to India. But then you get sessions where you just can't loose... It is also important to face the fact that we are playing with an edge against us. If we play enough spins, we are destined to loose in the end.

That being said! I do however believe that some RTG casinos have lowered their RTP on slots. That is not the same as saying they are rigged. But a slot with a 90% RTP will eat your money pretty fast..