Casinos that groom you to get use to losing

[Jufo]

We had this before: http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...tml#post269709

And I replied to it.

[doomed4ever]

It is IMHO that hitting the hardest achievement (5 scatters) unlocks the door of hitting 4-5 reels in the Wildstorm feature, ....
Randomness they say, lmfao .

I have not read or heard anywhere that getting all achievments will unlock some kind of chance at 4 or 5 wild reels on the WS feature. I might be wrong but if this was the case then this would have been advertised as 1 of the features. I think its nothing more than a gimmick or as they say to track past wins. Nice idea though if it did unlock somthing else on this game.

[blacklabrador]

Isn't this statement a tad redundant? We all know you are a fan of English Harbour and Riverbelle, you "throw them" in everyones' face every chance you get. Many do not have a wide selection of choices on where they can play, so yes, some are/and will continue to play on the RTG platform.

Well, according to your opening statement, most of the members here are brainwashed because they play on a platform YOU (and some others) feel are cheating players. Yes, 5 years ago, odds were better for a chance to win, but take into consideration the UIGEA. I believe it had a huge impact on the online gaming community.

That being said, I stopped playing completely 4.5 months ago. Closed accounts and unistalled ALL casinos. It didn't matter which platform I chose to play on, they all were "tight", IMO. My last decent win was from Royal Joker for a little over 1k, but then I was switched to the US facing clone and nothing but donations. Slotocash was my Rival of choice, but even going 600+ spins on Hole-In-One without a feature was frustrating. And as for RTG I played on Intertops Red, I had small wins, but nothing to write home about ( if I deposited $25 I would cashout at $50), but even doubling my deposit was beginning to become a nightmare.

Then, I stopped receiving the little "gifts" every so often from the casinos I was loyal to. Chasing after them for birthday gifts or holiday gifts made me feel "small" and petulant for having to ask. So, until something happens with legislation, I will spend my money elsewhere.

I'm thinking a trip to the Indian reservation is starting to look good...

If me saying that those 2 casinos are a good place to play at is "throwing it in your face" then so be it. I simply want everyone that is on this board to have a fair chance at winning and stop supporting these other casinos that are complained about on a daily basis. People work too hard for their money to get ripped off by greedy online casinos, sorry. If I was on the outside looking in and I saw a couple individuals talking about a certain casino on a regular basis, I would think that would be enough to get me to download that sucker and give it a try.

That being said, does anyone play Funky Chicken on English Harbour? It's one of my new favorites, I got the 10X multiplier the other day but was wondering if there is a higher one, I am still fairly new at the game and if I remember correctly, the instructions on the game didnt mention the highest multiplier. Also I would like to hear others favorite games on there, I play mostly video poker but I have played a little slots recently . I still havent even played half the games on there, theres alot of em. Triple Triple Gold is a tight machine but seems like u can win a ton on there if you play at the right time.

I still cant believe they havent changed the format on bet amounts. I mean from $1.25 a spin to $6.25?

[dominique]

A multilpier of 10 is the highest I have seen in funky chicken.. doesn't mean there isn't a higher one.

You see the same type threads all over the affiiliate communities these days. Affiliates end up paying for everything now, from bonuses to jackpots to processing seizure losses.

Breach of contract is becoming more frequent - casinos saying: "yes we know we said we would pay you xx, but we changed our mind and you only get x."

I'd like to see that happening in the brick and mortar world. Lawsuits would abound.

That said, I think payouts for players are still better online than in Vegas - online it is still possible to win substantially, at least at some casinos. In Vegas I have never won anything, it just drains your pockets and throws a little consolation prize every now and then.

I do view gambling as mere entertainment, but without decent wins periodically it's no fun and not even entertaining anymore.

[Rusty]

There is nothing wrong with complaining about losing - everybody does it in varying degrees. What better place to express your emotions than a forum full of fellow gamblers?

The problem arises when people start throwing around completely baseless and unfounded accusations about particular casinos. Nothing even resembling evidence or fact is offered up, other than "I lost - they're all crooks!!"

I love a real conspiracy. I've never been someone who accepts something just 'because'. I base my views on my own experiences, and my view is that there are other factors involved in why some players feel they are losing more (or possibly ARE losing more) than they did 5 years ago.

The main difference from back then is the bonus terms. We all took bonuses on most of our deposits because you could get 5xDB in many places which gave us a good chance of coming out ahead. I made some good money back then, and I know others who made a hell of a lot more. It is possible, combined with a reasonable suggestion that RTP may have been reduced across the board, that players who once did quite well out of online casinos now find themselves in a different boat.

Do I believe that the major software providers cheat? No, because they don't have to cheat. The house edge, along with 30xDB+ bonus terms excluding just about every game except slots, ensures the casino will make lots of money. When you also add in factors such as bankroll management (plays a more important part than you think) and choice of game (variance etc), it shows that the reason some players are winning more than others (or losing less) may be a lot closer to home.

Players who state that particular casinos are 'crooks' and that they 'brainwash' players based solely on the fact that they didn't win there just make themselves look like unreasonable ranters especially when they do it at just about every opportunity.

The most illogical aspect about those who carry on with the 'all casinos are rigged' mantra is that you will see them post a day or two later about how they played at an online casino If you honestly think they are all crooks and cheats, and you continue to play, it either says something about you, or your opinion in the first place.

I would certainly respect a person who didn't deposit another cent because they came to the conclusion they were being cheated. I don't have any for someone who just keeps playing - they are being ripped off with their own 'permission'.

While agree with you about baseless accusations I find it somewhat ironic that you then use such a baseless argument to prove these accusations wrong.
It is one that has been used many times before and one I have often hit out of the park but still like a bad egg it keeps bobbing up as an argument for why casinos don't cheat - it's a crock of shit of course and here is why yet again.

Your logic.
Casinos have house edge > therefore they are guaranteed profit > therefore they don't have to cheat > therefore all casinos are honest.

Can anyone spot the flaws in this logic for Nifty?
Yes, you at the back?
What's that?
Some casinos have been proven to be dishonest?
Some software has been proven to be less than above board?
An "honest" casino can have 65% RTP?

Sometimes you come across as real shill Nifty

[Achenar]

[QUOTECan anyone spot the flaws in this logic for Nifty?
Yes, you at the back?
What's that?
Some casinos have been proven to be dishonest?
Some software has been proven to be less than above board?
An "honest" casino can have 65% RTP?

Sometimes you come across as real shill Nifty[/QUOTE]

Funny you says this RUSTY i wonder myself.I was reading this and thought the same.Im not here to be rude but sometimes the facts are harder to believe then fiction.

[Nifty29]

I didn't say that all casinos were honest.

I said that the idea that all casinos are rigged is incorrect IMO.

You obviously missed the part where I made it clear I was referring to the MAJOR software providers. I.e RTG mg wagerworks wagerlogic rival. The only one I might be less than 100% sure about is rival as there has been some anecdotal evidence that tampering with games during play may be possible.

Casinos that use these platforms may be dishonest,but that is a different issue. We are talking about the games here not the operators. You and I both know there have been dodgy operations running RTG for example - doesn't mean RTG software cheats.

I'm a shill? For whom? Every casino? You and I may not see eye-to-eye on things, but I thought you were above that kind of cheap shot.

[Rusty]

I didn't say that all casinos were honest.

I said that the idea that all casinos are rigged is incorrect IMO.

You obviously missed the part where I made it clear I was referring to the MAJOR software providers. I.e RTG mg wagerworks wagerlogic rival. The only one I might be less than 100% sure about is rival as there has been some anecdotal evidence that tampering with games during play may be possible.

Casinos that use these platforms may be dishonest,but that is a different issue. We are talking about the games here not the operators. You and I both know there have been dodgy operations running RTG for example - doesn't mean RTG software cheats.

I'm a shill? For whom? Every casino? You and I may not see eye-to-eye on things, but I thought you were above that kind of cheap shot.

I didn't say you were a shill, I aid you sometimes come across as one.

As you know there is sometimes little distinction between a software provider and the casino that uses the software but that is another story.
You are quite right to backtrack but you and I know the implication of your argument was that Casinos don't cheat since in that same sentence you use such terms as house edge and bonus WR, both Casino specific.

I would also argue about your evaluation of RTG being fair.
How can a software company with absolutely no regard for whom it sells its software to and even less for its end users be considered honest and fair?
Just the opposite is true in fact - they have proven themselves to have a complete lack of integrity by continuing to supply known rogues and crooks
with their product while idly sitting by as people are ripped off.

Rival and RTG are both rogue software suppliers and it really is no coincidence that nearly every casino "licensed" by these suppliers is licensed in a Mickey Mouse jurisdiction. The majority being in Costa Rica or Curacao.
Actually I don't think either has a single casino licensed by whitelisted regulatory body.
Food for thought?
I have my problems with MGS too but they and wagerworks are about as close as we have got to honest software.

As I say, you are right to say baseless accusations should not be made and it is fair that this forum should have balance and that be pointed out from time to time but it is just plain wrong (purposeful or otherwise) to make the argument that Casinos or software are fair because they should turn a profit in the long run.

Also remember that many online Casinos are operated on a shoestring budget - the fair ones risk going bust but the rogues have no such worries.