Bonus play vs Non Bonus Play

[silcnlayc]

I do not know if this was ever discussed but I keep seeing people take bonuses with huge wagering requirements. and cannot comprehend it.

Now, I am wondering. If one person has a $3000 wagering requirement on a deposit of say $50 with a match bonus of $50 which is 30x D+B and one hits a huge hit say over a thousand dollars....right at the get go (in the beginning before the bonus is ever touched) what would make a person think that this is ok? I mean, it isn't your money till you clear the wagering so, that beautiful one of a kind hit is pretty much play money..

Why would anyone take a bonus and be forced to play out thousands to collect a few hundred? why do players do it? I am trying to wrap my head around the fact that if I won a few thousand on my initial deposit, I sure wouldn't give it all back just to get a few measley hundred...so I am wondering why players do this?

I read it all the time...Some have $4500 WR on their D+B...I mean...what makes you think that this is a good thing? Some have even lost Random Jackpots because of taking a bonus...

Granted, I have dabbled in a few free chips with max cashouts which I truly dislike and sometimes tell them to keep it, cause it isn't worth the effort especially if you hit a nice decent hit..I feel you just wasted a good hit playing with fun money (theirs) and now you will be back to square one on your wins (zeroed out) and will not win for a long time only to know you have wasted all that money to win a few bucks..

Just wondering...

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[blerko1]

I do not know if this was ever discussed but I keep seeing people take bonuses with huge wagering requirements. and cannot comprehend it.

Now, I am wondering. If one person has a $3000 wagering requirement on a deposit of say $50 with a match bonus of $50 which is 30x D+B and one hits a huge hit say over a thousand dollars....right at the get go (in the beginning before the bonus is ever touched) what would make a person think that this is ok? I mean, it isn't your money till you clear the wagering so, that beautiful one of a kind hit is pretty much play money..

Why would anyone take a bonus and be forced to play out thousands to collect a few hundred? why do players do it? I am trying to wrap my head around the fact that if I won a few thousand on my initial deposit, I sure wouldn't give it all back just to get a few measley hundred...so I am wondering why players do this?

I read it all the time...Some have $4500 WR on their D+B...I mean...what makes you think that this is a good thing? Some have even lost Random Jackpots because of taking a bonus...

Granted, I have dabbled in a few free chips with max cashouts which I truly dislike and sometimes tell them to keep it, cause it isn't worth the effort especially if you hit a nice decent hit..I feel you just wasted a good hit playing with fun money (theirs) and now you will be back to square one on your wins (zeroed out) and will not win for a long time only to know you have wasted all that money to win a few bucks..

Just wondering...

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Me too i dont understand how can you play hours and hours destroying your self only cause you must wait to meet the WR then withdraw ( this is limited also for various bonuses )

I think this make players more ADDICTED in GAMBLING and it is a BAD thing.....A BIG PROBLEM....

Life is beauty when you do many things and not worry so much for the WR....

For me the suggestion is: Make a small deposit without bonus....if you're not lucky dont play more....Also put some limits on spending....and dont DREAM about Big bonuses and Big wins cause its like a lottery that you can win once time in your LIFE and not always.....

Cheers

[funeral979]

Well, when I have the time to gamble online, I set aside a whole nite usually....so I dont mind spending hours and hours trying to meet the wagering requirements.

Taking a bonus naturally suits the smaller depositors (like me). If I only have $25 to deposit...I would much rather play with $50 and take the bonus. To me thats a huge difference. And of course keeping your deposits low, keeps your amount to wager low. If you are depositing $100 or more, it makes less sense to me.

And maybe this sounds kinda stupid, but trying to beat the WR adds an additional excitement factor. It gives you something to shoot for. On the rare occasion I deposit without a bonus, I feel kinda lost. Ok, im up $30 bucks, well should I withdraw? Chances are if you manage to beat bonus WR, you are probably up a considerable amount.

I just feel a a little cheeated if I don't get a bonus with my deposit. Its like half the fun isn't there.

[blacklabrador]

Funny how this thread popped up after I emailed Club World/High Noon and told them their bonuses are completely ridiculous and to take me off their email list because I am done with RTG for good. How anyone could play through a bonus on RTG and cash out is completely baffling to me. I don't miss them a bit, they can take their tight slots and ridiculous wagering requirements and stick em.

I get some of these on English harbour as well, once again, NEVER take advantage of them because it puts me at a DISADVANTAGE to cash out. I have one and only one casino that I do take advantage of their bonuses and that is simply because its only 20 times the wagering requirement . How these casinos put up 50 times wagering req and people claim those bonuses is beyond me.

[De Beuker]

Well, when I have the time to gamble online, I set aside a whole nite usually....so I dont mind spending hours and hours trying to meet the wagering requirements.

Taking a bonus naturally suits the smaller depositors (like me). If I only have $25 to deposit...I would much rather play with $50 and take the bonus. To me thats a huge difference. And of course keeping your deposits low, keeps your amount to wager low. If you are depositing $100 or more, it makes less sense to me.

And maybe this sounds kinda stupid, but trying to beat the WR adds an additional excitement factor. It gives you something to shoot for. On the rare occasion I deposit without a bonus, I feel kinda lost. Ok, im up $30 bucks, well should I withdraw? Chances are if you manage to beat bonus WR, you are probably up a considerable amount.

I just feel a a little cheeated if I don't get a bonus with my deposit. Its like half the fun isn't there.

Pretty much everything Funeral stated.
A bonus gives me something to aim for.

And about playing back a big win? Sorry, but that hardly ever happened to me.
Ofcourse it does happen sometimes, but not all the time like most bonushaters like to believe.
Sometimes I get on a roll and win many times the amount I would have cashed out without a bonus attached.
It works both ways and it always comes down to luck.

Just for the record: All of my biggest RTG cashouts came from huge non-cashable welcomebonuses.

Its also a matter of knowing what games to play at a certain stage.
If you hit big on Mystic Dragon right in the beginning of your session, you can up your bets to insanity and keep playing high variance games, which will most likely end in disaster.
You can also choose to grind it out on low variance games.

But each to his own, I guess if you have a few hundreds or even thousands to deposit every week, bonuses are not so attractive.
But for low budgetplayers like myself, they definately are attractive.

[vinylweatherman]

I do not know if this was ever discussed but I keep seeing people take bonuses with huge wagering requirements. and cannot comprehend it.

Now, I am wondering. If one person has a $3000 wagering requirement on a deposit of say $50 with a match bonus of $50 which is 30x D+B and one hits a huge hit say over a thousand dollars....right at the get go (in the beginning before the bonus is ever touched) what would make a person think that this is ok? I mean, it isn't your money till you clear the wagering so, that beautiful one of a kind hit is pretty much play money..

Why would anyone take a bonus and be forced to play out thousands to collect a few hundred? why do players do it? I am trying to wrap my head around the fact that if I won a few thousand on my initial deposit, I sure wouldn't give it all back just to get a few measley hundred...so I am wondering why players do this?

I read it all the time...Some have $4500 WR on their D+B...I mean...what makes you think that this is a good thing? Some have even lost Random Jackpots because of taking a bonus...

Granted, I have dabbled in a few free chips with max cashouts which I truly dislike and sometimes tell them to keep it, cause it isn't worth the effort especially if you hit a nice decent hit..I feel you just wasted a good hit playing with fun money (theirs) and now you will be back to square one on your wins (zeroed out) and will not win for a long time only to know you have wasted all that money to win a few bucks..

Just wondering...

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You are paying for "insurance" with a bonus. By agreeing to wager at least $3000, you are given a $50 "insurance buffer" in case you don't win from your $50 deposit. This more or less doubles your chances of getting a big hit, and WILL work in your favour if this only happens once you are playing on the bonus, having lost the deposit.

The WR is the price the casino charges for this insurance. By looking at the bonus terms, you can work out which casino offers the CHEAPEST deal on this insurance. With no max cashout, and the bonus being cashable, the lowest overall WR per $ deposited gives you the cheapest deal. All the various other terms make the offer more "interesting", but harder to value. So hard in fact, that casinos sometimes get it disasterously wrong

Funny how this thread popped up after I emailed Club World/High Noon and told them their bonuses are completely ridiculous and to take me off their email list because I am done with RTG for good. How anyone could play through a bonus on RTG and cash out is completely baffling to me. I don't miss them a bit, they can take their tight slots and ridiculous wagering requirements and stick em.

I get some of these on English harbour as well, once again, NEVER take advantage of them because it puts me at a DISADVANTAGE to cash out. I have one and only one casino that I do take advantage of their bonuses and that is simply because its only 20 times the wagering requirement . How these casinos put up 50 times wagering req and people claim those bonuses is beyond me.

A high WR would be irrelevant if the bonus was taken to participate in one of those "who can wager the most" promotions, because the intent would be to achieve as high a position as you can on the scoreboard, rather than managing to withdraw early. Having said this, it IS highly beneficial to withdraw in such a situation if WR have been met, because later you can deposit for ANOTHER bonus, which would be better value than using only your own cashable balance to play on (assuming the event has enough time left to run to allow this).

[rockycatt]

ive never seen a bonus plus deposite w/r at a B&M

that being said there is only one on the Internet worth the chance and its 5x at 3 dice the rest is ludacris

[Seventh777]

A prime example of when bonuses are good, this session was a £100 deposit with a £50 bonus giving me a WR of £1500, my initial spins were £3 a go, say they were for 1 hour at 337 spins an hour = £1011, with another hour and 20 minutes of £6 a spin = 2696 + 1011 = £3707 wagered, obliterating the WR and still just under £1100 in the bank, I don`t think play through requirements were ever a problem at MG casinos in the old days...

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All this for a £20 deposit + £4 bonus, which in turn gave £15`s worth of FS`s......

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In the old days any MG bonus imho was nothing less than an actual real money boost to your initial deposit, now, they are nothing more than a few minutes of extra play.

[vinylweatherman]

ive never seen a bonus plus deposite w/r at a B&M

that being said there is only one on the Internet worth the chance and its 5x at 3 dice the rest is ludacris

I've also seen many a B&M bonus WITHOUT WR

Blackpool (long ago), buy a £5 bag of coins, and get 60p free chip (fruit machine tokens), technically 1x WR on the tokens, but you COULD walk out without playing them.

Las Vegas. Free $15 for signing up to players club. Stick card in machine, 1x playthrough and cash out slip, which could then be converted to cash. It seemed that all the casinos on the strip were doing it ("bonus abuse" Vegas style anybody?).

Local arcade - free £10. Fed into machine by attendant, 1x playthrough then walk out.

[rockycatt]

I've also seen many a B&M bonus WITHOUT WR

Blackpool (long ago), buy a £5 bag of coins, and get 60p free chip (fruit machine tokens), technically 1x WR on the tokens, but you COULD walk out without playing them.

Las Vegas. Free $15 for signing up to players club. Stick card in machine, 1x playthrough and cash out slip, which could then be converted to cash. It seemed that all the casinos on the strip were doing it ("bonus abuse" Vegas style anybody?).

Local arcade - free £10. Fed into machine by attendant, 1x playthrough then walk out.

also wiskey while you play i supose thats a bonus to .oh and also flop