Bonus play vs Non Bonus Play

[Diane]

Sorry, my last post was a bit too vague. What I meant was a list of variance quotients by game, not by site. RTG for example Achilles, high, moderate, or low variance compated to "Big Shot"?

That kind of thing is what I was trying to get across.

Thanks
Diane

[felicie]

I don't take them anymore except an occasional good one and certainly not on deposit of $100 or more. And, no max cash out either. The only time I hadn't met wr on a good win was back a few years on pub fruity. It jumped to a grand then 3 then 5 grand and I had to toss money at it until it went down far enough. Maybe it was rtg on crazy dragon. anyway, I 'tossed' back at least a grand maybe a little more but I was still a real happy girl. That's the only time I tried to withdraw and was told wr hadn't been met.

Can we win without taking a bonus? maybe that's the reason I didn't get my usual October win.

[gambler777]

Play with bonuses all the time. Do not do bonuses that have a max cashout, unless it is free chip or manager's bonus, which costs me no money. I have never had a problem with playthrough requirements and needed bonus to win many good wins. I only play 2 places, both RTG and have playthrough requirements between 15 and 30 percent depending on the bonus, but never a max cashout. Have been very satisfied and am disappointed when I cannot get a bonus. Just my humble opinion.

[colly]

similar to the last poster- will not play max cashout bonuses other than free chips. I use the bonuses for smaller deposits unless the wagering is 15times or less.

quite like the microgaming bonuses however do find it confusing determining who is a clear play bonus casino or a must play through casino.

I find the lowest playthroughs are inetbet (and the bonus can be cashed) . some of the clubworld VIP bonuses.(non cashable) Slotland and Microgaming- Casino reward and the FL group bonuses come after the play - so you can cash out at leisure and then play through or lose the bonus when it is credited the following week.

When the wager requirement is high 25 or 30 times I deposit max of 50 but usually less.

sometimes the small bonuses pay off (rare) but i do find them useful to get through the longer time periods it takes to get bonus rounds at rtg- I have been known to win after playing ages and crashing on a bonus then depositiing cash only and playing the same game

[KasinoKing]

My reasons are pretty much the same as Funeral & De Beuker;

Mathematically swings the odds of winning in your favour (if the WR isn't too high, and it's cashable)
Adds the excitement of trying to beat the casino's bonus terms.
Gives more controlled and therefore longer play time.
The extra bonus cash also increases your play time and therefore your chances of a big win.
Gives you a definite point to stop & cash out (finishing the WR).

What I really hate is high WRs, which are just silly (anything over (D+B)x20 is crap IMHO), and Phantom bonuses;
If you play a cashable bonus, you only need to achieve an RTP of around 98% to make a profit.
If it's phantom you MUST get over 100% RTP to make even 1c.

The WR is the price the casino charges for this insurance. By looking at the bonus terms, you can work out which casino offers the CHEAPEST deal on this insurance. With no max cashout, and the bonus being cashable, the lowest overall WR per $ deposited gives you the cheapest deal. All the various other terms make the offer more "interesting", but harder to value.

That is exactly why I came up with a way of ranking bonuses on my sites; so people can see which are the best deals.
... I guess that makes me an insurance salesman!

KK

[Seventh777]

Maybe I am not asking it right....What I see here is the chance at a free $50 and it costs $1500 to get the said $50. Ok, where is the logic here?? Not many casinos give no max cashouts anymore, it seems, so what is the point of this?

If I took my initial $100 (like Seventh777) and caught a few hundred....that would satisfy me a lot. But to take the additional $50 for ????? A $1500 dollar playthrough???....um..hello....if I was anywhere close to $1500 I sure wouldn't want it attached to a bonus...it makes no sense at all...because to me it seems the casinos object is for you to play BACK thousands for a mere pittance that was offered (your small bonus) when you could have had those THOUSANDS in your pocket if you chose not to be locked into a useless pittance of a bonus...JMO...

What am I missing here??? Those thousand that you are required to play back could be in your pocket.....but yet, you have to spend it for taking $50 ??? I really am missing something for this seems truly very unbalanced to me....almost like a suckers game....JMO...


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Well, do the maths, I had a wagering of around £3600 and a balance of just under 1100 that`s £4700, the bonus WR was 1500, I would not have started at £3 a spin without that bonus, plus TSII gets considerably better the more achievements you acquire, so any extra cash to chop away at those achievements is beyond helpful.

As seen by my screenshots the largest hit I had was over £500, so are you saying that without a deposit bonus I could have collected that?, instead of carrying on and bypassing the WR with a healthy profit of just under £1000, like I have stated many times - In the past WR were never ever an issue with MG bonuses, so why not take them?.

P.S.

It`s a nigh on guaranteed WR if you do the maths and work out the RTP of around 98%.

[silcnlayc]

That would work great if there is a no max cashout rule on the bonus. But, if you have $1000 after playthrough and you can only withdraw $500, what's the sense of using a bonus?

This is what I am asking. You take a bonus, you MUST play out $1500 of your winnings, then you are limited to a withdrwal of $500 when your balance is in the thousands...um...someone do this math for me and tell me this makes sense...

Most bonuses now have 5x-10x max cashouts. You cannot get away from it. Most bonuses also have a 50%-75% match bonus, plus the bonus is NOT cashable.. With this said..I know many still take them. This is what I am trying to figure out why. I guess because many of the complaints have come up because of lack of reading the T&C's and also why would anyone chance a wonderful balance of a few thousand only to withdraw a few hundred? That is what I am not getting.

Not that I need to but I guess it seems like folly to me taking these bonuses in the gambling world and since we all are gamblers, some would rather take a small piece of the pot then go for the gold...Just my thoughts...


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[X-Raided]

My reasons are pretty much the same as Funeral & De Beuker;

Mathematically swings the odds of winning in your favour (if the WR isn't too high, and it's cashable)
Adds the excitement of trying to beat the casino's bonus terms.
Gives more controlled and therefore longer play time.
The extra bonus cash also increases your play time and therefore your chances of a big win.
Gives you a definite point to stop & cash out (finishing the WR).

What I really hate is high WRs, which are just silly (anything over (D+B)x20 is crap IMHO)

I agree 100% with your statement.

[silcnlayc]

X-Raided Quote:
Originally Posted by KasinoKing
My reasons are pretty much the same as Funeral & De Beuker;

Mathematically swings the odds of winning in your favour (if the WR isn't too high, and it's cashable)
Adds the excitement of trying to beat the casino's bonus terms.
Gives more controlled and therefore longer play time.
The extra bonus cash also increases your play time and therefore your chances of a big win.
Gives you a definite point to stop & cash out (finishing the WR).

What I really hate is high WRs, which are just silly (anything over (D+B)x20 is crap IMHO)

So let's put it in real terms(My version of understandin)
Jack has $25 and asks John if he would like to match this 100%.

John says sure on the condition that Jack does not take any monies for himself until Jack has paid John $1500 in any winnings.

Then anything above and beyond that Jack must also give back John his initial $25.

Jack also cannot go above the 10x win in his match bonus in withdrawing (John is securing his monies to keep Jack from playing back any winnings earned that belonged to John above and beyond his initial $1500 paid to John)
So now Jack, earned $1500 but had to give it up to John for the $25 investment John gave....but not only that, Jack now must now try and reach a sum large enough to feel like he has won something.....only to give John back another $25 out of any other winnings...So jack is left with a few hundred bucks never meeting his 10x cashout, Jack happily goes his way with $136 after all is said and done...and John goes his merry way with Jacks $1525......

And this makes sense???? Why would anyone use their own money to PAY John? If this was a free chip given by a casino, then this scenerio is a moot point...and I am all for free chips because you have invested anything...

But taking a bonus..once again seems like folly to me...but then , that is why we are made all differently!

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[Mavin1]

I totally get what you are saying Silc, but also have to view it from a different perspective.

On the basis of not taking a bonus, how likely is it that a player depositing $25 or $35 will ever hit anything? As we all know, but cannot prove, the system will most likely suck you dry until you have made x amount of deposits into this system, before giving up the win that may equal what you have already spent.

Now we have also seen, players that take bonuses, for some uncanny reason may hit a random or a win equal to a random, usually early on, this is my suspicious mind speaking here, but therefore the player now has a huge bankroll to work through the wr.

The money won is not the players money until the wr is met. It's also not extra money the casino wins either as it is virtual money that doesn't exist, kind of like the US dollar.

9 times out of 10, I think from what I have read and followed on this forum, this is how the system works. Make your deposit without the legal attachment of a bonus and you will be "virtually" screwed most of the time.

Take a bonus that is reasonable, have a good win and manage it in your favor and you have a good chance of coming out with some real money after dealing with the virtual money.

Or you have the chance of being tagged a syndicate for having the brains to play the bonus in your favor instead of getting reckless, making high plays on tight games, hoping for that mega thousand dollar win.

Unlike B&M's, online virtual casinos, I believe have the ability to micro manage every player out there and does adjust automatically according to how one plays and wagers.

So to keep the myth of random behavior alive and well, some will win a random or a regular nice win on a deposit alone, most will not, same with taking a bonus, some will, some won't. But either way a player has to manage his budget when playing that gives him/her the best advantage.

But this is just my distrust speaking for a system that is computer generated in a virtual world that has no building I can walk into, a machine to sit in front of and actually touch, people milling about, noises all around, bells and whistles going off as some players scream for having won a jackpot and we can turn and look at that person jumping up and down in excitement. You see it in a B&M, hear it and feel it. In the virtual world where it is an illusion on my computer monitor, I don't know if it's real or not, except for that very rare withdrawal that mysteriously arrives in my account to perpetuate the illusion that maybe it's real, so keep feeding it, but how can I be sure of anything so untangible.

JMO