3Dice slot design

[An_Alien]

I am wondering if someone with knowledge in slot design can help answer a question i raised with 3Dice casino. I raised this issue with Andrea who then referred me to Anna. She done her best to help but said she honestly could not see the point I was making and it was then referred to Enzo but I have not had a reply so I figured I would post here and perhapes someone can tell me if I raised a valid point.

First of all I would just like to say im not out to attack 3Dice. They are currently my casino of choice and i've not had any problems with them. I dont wish to be seen as trying to "rock the boat" which is why I rasied this point with 3Dice first rather than post here.

I suggested to 3Dice that Tutankhamun appears to be a clone of Microgamings slot Isis. I was assured this is not possible because they run on different platforms. I feel that is irrelevant though because I am speaking about the design of the slot itself.

Isis is a 25 line slot which overs odds of 600/1 for hitting 5 scatters and awards 30 free spins. 4 scatters gives 25 free spins and pays 20/1 and 3 scatters gives 20 free spins pays 4/1. The wild symbol also doubles all wins. These rules are quite specific so it should be unlikely to find another slot using the exact same rules and payout values for the feature. But as many of you who play at 3Dice will know, this is exactly the same rules for Tutankhamun.

See screenshot below.




As 3Dice slots are designed by their own team I found it rather coincidental that they used these exact same rules and payout values for both scatters and wilds. It would not be so surprising is it was a standard 15 free spins at X3 multiplier because many slots have this same feature, however, I believe the rules for Isis are rather specific so it's unlikely for another slot designer to use these exact same rules.

I understand this alone is nothing to get too excited about but I then discovered that these slots also have the exact same paytables.

See screenshot below.




They are a perfect match. The only difference being the graphics display of each symbol. All rules, symbols and payout values are the same. They are the same game. The only difference being the order the symbols appear on the reels but since you can rearrange the symbols from each reel into any order and theoretically the payout will always be the same then I feel that is irrelevant.

If 3Dice slots are disigned by their own team from a "blank canvas" then surely the chances of designing the exact same slot are impossible. This is why I feel I did raise a valid point and now hopefully someone here can explain this to me.

Both games also happen to be Egyptian themed but that could always be a coincidence.

[jod5413]

Alien,

I do not know whether you have a valid point or not. In my years of gambling on line, I have seen many, many slots across the different platforms that are almost identical. Cloning within software providers is a given and I would think that in the industry there are lots of folks that have seen them all. It is very possible that similar ideas about slots could be totally innocent happenings. I would guess that a lot of slot designers have memories that pop up and influence their creations.

[refre]

It's no secret that Tut is a lot like Isis (and that other clone).
I don't feel 3Dice has tried to hide the fact, it's common knowledge for those playing both at 3Dice and MG.

As far as I know though, the reel layout of Isis has not been made available by MG, so anyone replicating the paytable will have to figure out themselves how to balance out the RTP. Like placing wilds and scatters (and all other symbols) on the reel strips.

Personally I don't see anything wrong with it, as long you don't copy the design and graphics.

Freddy

[just play]

Why does this matter? Forgive me for being naive if I am missing something?

[An_Alien]

Thanks for your replies!

I thought this most likely to be common knowledge with players of MG and 3Dice.

When I raised the question with support they said it was the first time someone had reported this so I thought if it really was common knowledge then they would have answered my question there and then.

[refre]

The only difference being the order the symbols appear on the reels but since you can rearrange the symbols from each reel into any order and theoretically the payout will always be the same then I feel that is irrelevant.

It's not irrelevant. The number of symbols varies from reel to reel. Same goes for how many times each symbol appears. Lower paying symbols will appear more often than wilds and scatters.


Freddy

[An_Alien]

It's not irrelevant. The number of symbols varies from reel to reel. Same goes for how many times each symbol appears. Lower paying symbols will appear more often than wilds and scatters.


Freddy

Yes but I mean you can rearrange the symbols on each individual reel. Reel 1 can have the symbols rearranged into any order and because the results are random it will pay the exact same return

[just play]

Alien...can you answer this?

Why does this matter? Forgive me for being naive if I am missing something?

[rockycatt]

some one on this board mentioned that on 3 dice that the tiles actually spin individual and that they werent on film strips

now i dont know beans about this techie stuff but the unnamed person that drooped that does , and he also likes to drink and post so is it possible that its true about the tiles each spinning and not a film strip ??????

[An_Alien]

Alien...can you answer this?

I'm sure it wont matter to most people.

I always thought 3Dice was unique and it was their own team who designed their games. But If they look at other softwares and copy those slots to their own software then that is not unique and the credit lies with Microgaming for creating the original.