RNG, Slots, and Thunderstruck II.

[Seventh777]

Am I barking up the wrong tree here or has the introduction of achievements based on hitting every single winning combination, exposed these so called RNG`s for the fraudulent and open to manipulation mechanics that many of us, believe them to be?.

How many of you have played TSII to such an extent that you have 2-3 achievements left to hit, i`ll bet those 2-3 are - 4 & 5 wilds and 5 scatters..yes?, if, as we are led to believe each spin is randomly generated then why is it that these are never hit 1st spin, or half way through the achievement push?, when hitting all the lower achievements ie nines through to aces, was 5 aces the last needed? hell no, in fact when playing TSII the other day at Casino Share for the 1st time, 5 aces was the 1st 5 reel achievement I hit.

Randomness in full affect, and a small but significant test, find yourself a none transparent bag and fill it with 10 red counters, 9 white, 8 blue, 7 yellow, 6 green, 5 purple, 4 black, 3 orange, 2 silver, and 1 gold (colours may vary lol), no peeping, and pull out the counters 1 by 1, do this as many times as you want, until you have picked ten, how many times do you think the silver and gold counters will be picked?

This is imho complete randomness, unless as I openly stated I have this horribly wrong.

5 wilds pays 1000 (not including wild wins ofc )= odds of around 33-1, picking the gold counter 54-1, a lot greater odds, but what`s your money on?.

[Dangerous53]

I noticed something yesterday playing TSII that I found interesting. I was checking the stats to see how many spins I had played, and the biggest win showed as 40.50, but I hadn't won that much, yet....

As I was trying to figure out why that amount was there the Big Win bells went off and the win was 40.50. After clearing the stats and watching it on autospin, the wins showed up in the stats before the reels started stopping, almost before they started spinning.

When two bonus symbols dropped on the first two reels, you could tell the third would not drop if you won your bet back, but if it registered no win, you knew it would hit. I watched this for over 100 spins to confirm it, and both times I hit the feature, it didn't show a win. The amount won in the feature spins is the same thing.

This makes me think that the amount you win is pre programmed, and THEN the reels stop to reflect that amount. Makes one wonder about the randomness of the spins.

[kujis]

Usually 5 wilds and scatters are achieved last because in my hot opinion there's only one or 2 of those symbols in each reel, while theres at least 4 thors and 10 9s 10s and js.

[doomed4ever]

I noticed something yesterday playing TSII that I found interesting. I was checking the stats to see how many spins I had played, and the biggest win showed as 40.50, but I hadn't won that much, yet....

As I was trying to figure out why that amount was there the Big Win bells went off and the win was 40.50. After clearing the stats and watching it on autospin, the wins showed up in the stats before the reels started stopping, almost before they started spinning.

When two bonus symbols dropped on the first two reels, you could tell the third would not drop if you won your bet back, but if it registered no win, you knew it would hit. I watched this for over 100 spins to confirm it, and both times I hit the feature, it didn't show a win. The amount won in the feature spins is the same thing.

This makes me think that the amount you win is pre programmed, and THEN the reels stop to reflect that amount. Makes one wonder about the randomness of the spins.

For video slots its all just eye candy the spinning reels , differnt symbols etc. The win Is pre-determined the moment you hit the spin button. The results displayed are as i said just eye candy. The win or loose is not determined during the actuall spinning of the wheels. I have also noticed what you did a few times. Its probably just a clitch as its giving the outcome a second or 2 before the wheels stop spinning.
So when you said quote : "This makes me think that the amount you win is pre programmed"

that is correct from the very second you hit the spin.

[Simmo!]

IThis makes me think that the amount you win is pre programmed, and THEN the reels stop to reflect that amount. Makes one wonder about the randomness of the spins.

As Doomed says, that is how video slots work, online or offline. The result is effectively a pre-determined number and the reels are just a pretty way of displaying that number.

Usually 5 wilds and scatters are achieved last because in my hot opinion there's only one or 2 of those symbols in each reel, while theres at least 4 thors and 10 9s 10s and js.

Spot on. They are much, much harder to achieve for obvious reasons.

[Seventh777]

Well thx for the answers guys and in laymen terms it sums it all up nicely, if, as stated by two of you that these wins are nigh on guaranteed to be the last 2 wins to land, then it is not 100% RNG is it?.

I will digress and go on further, since the day it was released until roughly 4-5 weeks ago I played TSII constantly, every single deposit I made from £50-£200 I maxed the spin machine at GoWild (£2000 wagered=125 free spins) with various other FS promos relating to TSII i have won in excess of 20,000 FS`s at GoWild alone, this for the 1st 2-3 months playing was easily achieved due to the generous feature rewards (I have more screenshots here than I care to mention, but suffice to say that each screenie ranges in winnings from around £250 to £650 for a £1.50 to £3 bet), I will hasten to add that although I carried on playing upto mid September I did not take any screenshots since early August, for the sole reason being there were no decent wins worthy of taking, also my spin machine returns dropped dramatically and several deposits didn`t even yield the lowest wagering needed of £350 for 20 FS.

I will defy anyone that has played TSII as much as me (11 different casinos) to openly stand up and state that the overall game play from this slot is exactly the same (payout wise) as the day of it`s release, when you get down to two achievements it becomes bankruptcy central..

Some more food for thought on just how random the harder achievements are to hit, until you need two.......

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But just how hard are 4 wilds to hit? my 1st of the two 4 wilds I hit at Golden Lounge within 3 hours of each other

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Notice that I have hit one of the 3 hardest wins before I hit 5 kings and I had hit four wilds twice before this screenie was taken

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But the above was just a run of good luck, it wouldn`t happen again would it?.......

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Yep, it did, I managed to hit the same achievement 3 times in two sessions at two different casinos in two days that I have not hit in over 4 months playing and probably somewhere in the region of £500,000 - £750,000 wagered at another, even though I have hit the much harder to hit... all 5.

Upon release this slot was primed to have a far superior payout as to encourage and finance people going for the achievements, it`s almost as if you needed these to have a shot at 3-4-5 reels in the WildStorm feature....

Oh wait!!!!!!!!!!.

I have had 3 reels once in WildStorm and that was the 1st WS after I reduced achievements to just two needed.

[Seventh777]

True randomness in glorious effect, the odds of hitting this are around 1150 - 1 I believe, which in laymen terms = 1 in every 11.5 games with any 3 cards of identical suits, needed for a NRF, just because it`s the hardest hand to hit, it doesn`t mean the RNG God cannot pull one out the bag, does it.

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Footnote:- this was my 1st ever poker play at Lucky Creek, I started with around £4 I won from some FS`s.

[zanzibar]

Well thx for the answers guys and in laymen terms it sums it all up nicely, if, as stated by two of you that these wins are nigh on guaranteed to be the last 2 wins to land, then it is not 100% RNG is it?.

No-one said anything about guarantees. All that was said was that the "big" features have less chance of being hit than the "smaller" features. Same as on every other slot ever made.

Independent spins are not related to each other. You are just as (un)likely to hit 5 wilds on your first spin as your 10,000th spin. So you haven't hit a couple of the bigger features? Well that is not surprising seeing as there is a very small chance of them being hit. But just because something is less likely to be hit doesn't mean that you will hit every other smaller feature before that one.

Your screenshots do seem to indicate the randomness of the game - the total opposite of what you are saying. Show me a screenshot with every feature filled except the three 9s and then you might be onto something.

[gid88]

Has TS2 been removed from 32red ? It was last night and then i re-installed at the suggestion of the casino...still not there.

[gid88]

scratch that - it's back.