Thunderstruck II and Wilds.

[Setag]

Hi all.

Seem to recall we have some avid Thunderstruck II players on here so I have this question. It relates to a win scenario I had, playcheck isnt working at the mo so cant check that either!

So the game is 243 ways to win....

I got WILD WILD WILD on reels 1,2 and 3 respectively.

Reel 4 had 10/9/castle symbol on it.

Im sure i got cheated out of money...

What ways should I have been paid? ONLY for 3x wild.... once?

or for 4 of a kind, 10, 9, castle?

so confused as to how the wilds are used in this.

[retlaw]

I think, but I am not sure :

27 times 4 "10" ; 27 times 4 "9" ; 27 times 4 "castle"

[Rusty]

I think, but I am not sure :

27 times 4 "10" ; 27 times 4 "9" ; 27 times 4 "castle"

Correct, unless 3 wilds is the greater win than any of the above.
4 reels is 81 pay lines(3x3x3x3)=81 the 5th reel (81x3) makes up the 243.

SCRATCH THAT!

The above would be with expanded wilds but you mean single wilds I guess

It would depend on the other symbols on the first four reels as well so it is quite tricky but assuming you did not duplicate any of the winning symbols you would be paid only once for each four of a kind, except where 3 wilds is the greater win.

[KasinoKing]

I got WILD WILD WILD on reels 1,2 and 3 respectively.

Reel 4 had 10/9/castle symbol on it.

Im sure i got cheated out of money...

What ways should I have been paid? ONLY for 3x wild.... once?

or for 4 of a kind, 10, 9, castle?

so confused as to how the wilds are used in this.

If you are talking about the normal wilds (not stacked), then yes, your win should be only 3 wilds = 75 x coins bet. (plus some other 3 of a kind wins).
That's because all slots state "only the highest win per line is paid".
All the 4 symbol combinations made with the 3 wilds are lower; 4 x 9 and 4 x 10 = 10 x bet, 4 x castle = 60 x coins bet.

If they were "stacked wilds" during the Wild Storm feature, your win would be 27 x 3 wilds with no other wins counting, for the same reason.
So that would be (27 x 75) = 2025 x coins bet.

I'm pretty sure that's how it works.

KK

[Setag]

So what would happen if this spun in?

9 J A B
W W W C
10 Q K T

The payouts are:

3x Wild = 75
4x Boat (B) = 60
4x Castle(C) = 60
4x Thor (T) = 100

The 3x Wild payout is better than Boat or Castle, but surely it can only pay out once in a 243 ways game.

[Simmo!]

So what would happen if this spun in?

9 J A B
W W W C
10 Q K T

The payouts are:

3x Wild = 75
4x Boat (B) = 60
4x Castle(C) = 60
4x Thor (T) = 100

The 3x Wild payout is better than Boat or Castle, but surely it can only pay out once in a 243 ways game.

It would actually pay:

3 x Wild
4 x Castle (or Boat as they both pay the same)
4 x Thor

And in addition you would also be gettting:

3 x 9
3 x 10
3x J
3 x Q
3 x K
3 x A

[Setag]

Sorry to clarify do you mean that you can get only 3 wins which involve 4 symbols e.g.:

3 x Wild
4 x Castle
4 x Thor

Or do you mean getting 4 wins:

3 x Wild
4 x Boat
4 x Castle
4 x Thor

If you mean you can only get 3 wins, and it decides that only Boat or Castle will be substituted and not the other is that not very odd? What would make it decide? Why wouldn't the 3 wins be:

3 x Wild
3 x Wild
4 x Thor

as this is the best payout for the player?

[Simmo!]

Sorry to clarify do you mean that you can get only 3 wins which involve 4 symbols

Theoretically you'd get 3 wilds, 4 boats, 4 castles and 4 Thors, but because the 3 wilds are on the same line as those, and pays more, it will count that INSTEAD of one of those wins because of the general slot rule that only the highest win on a payline counts.

[Rusty]

I will try and simplify how to work it out as it is not obvious unless you do the necessary calculations.

There are 3 stop positions on each reel that can contribute toward a win.
If you think of the top symbol on each reel being in position 1 the middle in position 2 and the bottom in position 3 you can then see how wins are made up.
The first number is the position of reel 1(1=top,2= middle,3= bottom) the second number is the same for reel 2 and 3rd number the same for reel 3.
The "-" is to separate each combination and "--" to separate blocks of 3.
Note were only dealing with the first 3 reels here.

1,1,1-1,1,2-1,1,3 --1,2,1-1,2,2-1,2,3 -- 1,3,1-1,3,2-1,3,3
2,1,1-2,1,2-2,1,3 --2,2,1-2,2,2-2,2,3 -- 2,3,1-2,3,2-2,3,3
3,1,1-3,1,2-3,1,3 --3,2,1-3,2,2-3,2,3 -- 3,3,1-3,3,2-3,3,3

As you can see these are the 27 possible combinations of the first 3 reels (3x3x3=27)

Setags example was (4 reels in play) but we can still see how the wins work.

Example stop positions for reels
1 2 3 4
9 J A B
W W W C
10 Q K T

So using our table we can then see exactly what combinations we are looking at.

1,1,1-1,1,2-1,1,3 --1,2,1-1,2,2-1,2,3 -- 1,3,1-1,3,2-1,3,3
2,1,1-2,1,2-2,1,3 --2,2,1-2,2,2-2,2,3 -- 2,3,1-2,3,2-2,3,3
3,1,1-3,1,2-3,1,3 --3,2,1-3,2,2-3,2,3 -- 3,3,1-3,3,2-3,3,3

Translates to (Where * shows winning combination);

9,J,A-9,J,W-9,J,K--9,W,A-9,W,W*-9,W,K--9,Q,A-9,Q,W-9,Q,K
W,J,A-W,J,W*-W,J,K--W,W,A*-W,W,W*-W,W,K*--W,Q,A-W,Q,W*-W,Q,K
10,J,A-10,J,W-10,J,K--10,W,A-10,W,W*-10,W,K--10,Q,A-10,Q,W-10,Q,K

We can now clearly see that when substituting the (W)ild symbol for winning symbols we have.

9,9,9
J,J,J
A,A,A
W,W,W
K,K,K
Q,Q,Q
10,10,10

The 4th reel was;
B
C
T

So since we already have above the only winning combinations we simply need to add this on and see if it contributes to four of a kind.
(This now makes total combinations 27x3=81)

9,9,9,B-9,9,9,C-9,9,9,T = 3x three 9's win

J,J,J,B-J,J,J,C-J,J,J,T = 3x three J's win

A,A,A,B-A,A,A,C-A,A,A,T = 3x three A's win

W,W,W,B-W,W,W,C-W,W,W,T = 3x three W's win or 1x four B win, 1x four C win, 1x four T win (largest win pays only)

K,K,K,B-K,K,K,C-K,K,K,T = 3x three K's win

Q,Q,Q,B-Q,Q,Q,C-Q,Q,Q,T = 3x three Q's win

10,10,10,B-10,10,10,C-10,10,10,T = 3x three 10's win

So Simmo is right and it would only pay 1 x four castle, 1 x four boat and 1 x four Thor.
This is because the 3 wilds are only represented on one line(2,2,2) going into the fourth reel and each of these symbols is represented only once.
So their winning combinations are 2,2,2,1-2,2,2,2-2,2,2,3 respectively
If the boat,castle or Thor symbols were on reel 1,2 or 3 you would then get multiple wins and also obviously any other wild would do the same thing.

Hope this helps because it can be quite complicated.

EDIT.

I read Simmo's post as stating there were four castle wins etc but now realise he means 1 win of castles etc so I have edited my post to reflect this.