3Dice BJ Stats

[funeral979]

After having every session with 3Dice end miserably at their BJ table, I finally decided to ask for my lifetime BJ stats there. 1280 games with a payback % of 92.23. Is this enough hands for me to have cause for alarm?

Most 3Dice threads discuss their slots and variance.....but does anyone here play their blackjack?....and have similar experiences?

[kakata]

After having every session with 3Dice end miserably at their BJ table, I finally decided to ask for my lifetime BJ stats there. 1280 games with a payback % of 92.23. Is this enough hands for me to have cause for alarm?

Most 3Dice threads discuss their slots and variance.....but does anyone here play their blackjack?....and have similar experiences?

...ask Nashvegas...he might be the right guy...


...and Im getting tired too...3dice pleeeease..enzoooo???

[mrjones]

hi yes thats around about what i had at some point though i did a little better at 104.7% then went back down to low 90s again , mind you there tournament blackjack is a total joke thankgod i wasnt playing black for real that time.

[3Dice]

Hi funeral,

I've ran your numbers real quick. (formulas and explenation).

You played 1280 games, and in doing so lost 99.53 betting units. (your total loss is 99.53 times your average betsize.)

So, with a standard deviation of 1.1418 (from the wiz - will verify in the office tomorrow.), and 1280 games played that works out as follows :

on 1280 games, with 0.4% houseedge, that means 5.12 units in houseedge, and 94.41 units because of bad luck. The probability of 94.41 units bad luck on 1280 games :

1SD = sqrt(1280)*1.1418 = 35.78
2SD = 2 * 1SD = 71.56
3SD = 3 * 1SD = 107.34

so your loss of 94.41 units is approx 2.63 SD. A 2.63 SD on 1280 games means bad luck. Perfectly-normal-plain-vanilla-to-be-expected bad luck. (in fact this is really close to the sample the wiz uses at the bottom of that page to show what a normal bad luck session could look like)

The chance for a session like this you calculate by finding the odds the normal distribution with an SD of 35.78 is bigger than 94.41. That works out to

cumulative probability (X >= 94.41) for a normal distribution with SD 35.78 =
0.005 or 1 in 200.

Ok funeral sorry for all the maths, its there for those who wish to disagree - so they can respond with numbers.

Now in layman's terms. This is normal bad luck - but still bad luck - don't know how well we've done on the comping department but I'll check to see what the options there are.

Hope your luck turns soon !

Kindest regards,

Enzo.

[skiny]

I've never played blackjack for real at any online casino and have only ever played for fun at 3Dice. For fun I mean in tournament mode. I just played my umpteenth and last Blackjack game ever at any online casino. The very best that's possible is maybe the equivalent of 2 or 3 hands over my starting balance and then I lose 4 or 5 out of 7 hands until I finally give up with a couple hundred dollars left. I don't care about strategy and I know several people will pop up acting like this is anything like real cards. It is nothing like real cards. No strategy on this planet will help when I watch the cards that come up and plainly see, if I took the next card it would have busted me. And not taking it gave the dealer a higher hand. That is online blackjack in a nutshell and I'm sure it's the same no matter where you play. The longer I play the lower my balance gets and there is no such thing as coming back up. It's a simple game of lose 5 hands maybe win 2 and then lose 5 again.

If you like blackjack go sit at a real table with real cards and forget pretending this online stuff is remotely similar. I couldn't count the amount of good runs I've had playing blackjack at a real table with a real dealer and I've never once ever had a good run against a computer. I'm not even sure if it's possible.

[Cristian]

BlackJack_Classic total bets 2380 *percentage € 98.31% with an average bet / 1.31 . Your average lowroller here . Well these are the numbers apparently , but to be honest i remember busting out 80% of times / blackjack sessions .
its really hard to keep track of your own stats playing card games anyway . And no need to do that since my average bet is 1.31 right ? However i noticed their acredited software is lets say " bet sensitive " , when you bet higher . Yes im saying that trying to double up won`t work , not for me anyway . In most cases , the software will lag there for a sec , and will generate a impressive losing hand ( dealer gets 21 using 6 cards , that happens way too many times ) . And i think its a safe bet to say that im not the only one that noticed that .
imho playing card games there is a complete joke ( waste of time and money ) . Enzo will prolly say that im just a frustrated player that doesnt like to lose , and will prolly thow some numbers in my face to contradict all this . The so called "playing by the book" , or "betting systems" are irrelevant , since you are playing on a software that uses mathematics . IF its preset to take , it will take , no matter what you do / how you bet . And the "luck" factor is also rubbish imo , knowing that your luck is beeing generated by the software itself that also determines the payback percentages based on a preset .

I got to a point where i can actually "predict" that i will lose a hand that looks actually like a winning one . Magic happens and their algh generates a bad beat that makes things even more frustrating . Playing around you will see the pattern . Double on 11 = 13 , 14 - 80% times . Split = win one , lose one , or lose both in most cases . Hitting on 12 / 22 . And dealers is showing a 10/first card way too many times .Its obvious ... but thats just me right ? prolly i will get into trouble for making false accusations that their blackjack is somehow "rigged" . But i do love the "lagging" that occurs before dealer gets a magic hand . Tell me im not the only one that noticed that . The software stutters there for a sec , like its calculating how to kick my azz .
Doesnt actually matter what u say , the numbers contradicts my theory right ? 98% RTP , numbers tell me that im somehow on the winning side . Funny thing ... really .
Im not trying to start a riot here , just ignore my post if you do not agree with what i`ve said . Im pretty sure that there are some big card games winners @ 3dice , but i think its a safe bet to say that those are also the ones that lose alot . That beeing said , my advice is to stay away from card games @ 3dice , or keep playing but don`t expect to make a fortune , on the long run you will end up losing . A good player knows when to stop ( thats what i call skill , and basically thats all you have to know , its not rocket science to press : stand , hit ) .

Take care
One frustrated SOB

[3Dice]

Hi Cristian,

ran yours to ..

2380 games

39.69 units lost.

9.52 units to the house
30.17 units to bad luck.


sqrt(2380) = 48.78*1.1418 = 55.70

so your result is 30.17/55.70 = 0.54 SD from the mean.

the cumulative odds for that are ..

P( X >= 30.17 ) for SD 55.70 = 0.29% .. or about 1 in 3.

If you find 0.54 SD frustrating .. then I would strongly dis-advice against playing blackjack

Kindest regards,

Enzo

[joker05]

Now in layman's terms. This is normal bad luck - but still bad luck

So bad luck.... ok, fine, we can't argue away bad luck as a contributing factor or even as the outright cause, however, since good luck virtually never shows up to the party, you have to wonder if the invitation ever went out.

In other words, what is an acceptable percentage of bad luck? As a victim, to me, it seems unacceptably high, and i'd have to see some data to convince me that there isn't a flaw in the software that warrants a repair.

Of course, it is entirely possible that I am increasing my own chances of losing by making bad decisions. I do not consider myself to be an expert blackjack player, but I have played enough blackjack to know that this isue is worth the keystrokes.

[3Dice]

So bad luck.... ok, fine, we can't argue away bad luck as a contributing factor or even as the outright cause, however, since good luck virtually never shows up to the party, you have to wonder if the invitation ever went out.

How did you arrive to that conclusion ? The global payout of the 3Dice blackjack (real money mode, about 1M games) is now 99.9977%. (that is above expectations.).

Our games and card distributions are independently verified by itech labs (check the bottom of our homepage), but unless winners come
forth, it is (like always) difficult to get an overview off this from the players perspective.

I've skimmed the winnerthread from some big bj winners that I remember by heart, but it takes some time to find anything in that thread .. there's a screenshot from zman on page 1038 (45k+ in cashouts - all bj - why don't you ask him what he thinks of the 3Dice blackjack ..).

In other words, what is an acceptable percentage of bad luck? As a victim, to me, it seems unacceptably high, and i'd have to see some data to convince me that there isn't a flaw in the software that warrants a repair.

2.63 SD, or 1 in 200 happens to 1 every 200 players. That means that at 3Dice this happens several times every week. It makes no sense to state that you think it is unacceptably high .. why do you think it is unacceptably high ?

Of course, it is entirely possible that I am increasing my own chances of losing by making bad decisions. I do not consider myself to be an expert blackjack player, but I have played enough blackjack to know that this isue is worth the keystrokes.

Remember guys, this is not about emotions - I can relate to being angry at the dealer if you lose.. really - I've been there. Being angry, and losing, its no fun and it will never be. But that is no indication that anything is wrong.

Blackjack is a game that does not compare to for example slots. If you find yourself to emotionally involved with it, then it may just be a good idea to play a game you enjoy better. Perfect strategy aside, the choice aspect of blackjack causes a feeling of responsibility - if you lose a hand - you're always left with the 'what if I chose differently' feeling .. and that is something that is frustrating for many players. (hence the popularity of slots where that choice aspect is eliminated.).

Always play the games you enjoy best

Kindest Regards,

Enzo

[funeral979]

Hi funeral,

so your loss of 94.41 units is approx 2.63 SD. A 2.63 SD on 1280 games means bad luck. Perfectly-normal-plain-vanilla-to-be-expected bad luck. (in fact this is really close to the sample the wiz uses at the bottom of that page to show what a normal bad luck session could look like

Enzo.

Thanks for the reply. I guess my main concern/frustration is that my "perfectly normal" run of bad luck seems to have been spread across my entire lifetime blackjack history, not just a session or 2. At any rate, at least I understood about 50% of your maths

when you bet higher . Yes im saying that trying to double up won`t work , not for me anyway . In most cases , the software will lag there for a sec , and will generate a impressive losing hand ( dealer gets 21 using 6 cards , that happens way too many times ) . And i think its a safe bet to say that im not the only one that noticed that .

But i do love the "lagging" that occurs before dealer gets a magic hand . Tell me im not the only one that noticed that . The software stutters there for a sec , like its calculating how to kick my azz .

I cant say that I have really noticed this at 3Dice (though I am still trying to familiarize myself with the intricacies of their software), but this is SPOT ON how Microgaming blackjack plays. I know alot of people will say its paranoia, but I have played hundreds of thousands of hands of MG bj to know better. Say what you want about "take down mode", but it happens...when you get that lag....and then the dealer starts pulling 20s and 21s every hand....may as well shut down the software for the day.