Are Slots Really Random?

**Nate** · 24th May 2010, 06:59 PM

Hi All,

Wanted a bit of your insight.... The question begs... ARE SLOTS REALLY RANDOM?

If you were to get the Free Spins on a particular game, do you think that your chances of winning any particular combination during the free spins are good or do you think before you even decide to play, the outcome may have already been predetermined for you...

Your thoughts and comments will be appreciated...

Me

**lots0** · 24th May 2010, 07:07 PM

There are about 500 different threads on this exact subject here.

M 2 cents...

If you believe in a predetermined fate, then the outcome was pre determined.

However, if you believe in Randomness, Chaos and Mathmatics, then it was just statistically your time to win/lose.

**Nate** · 24th May 2010, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by lots0

There are about 500 different threads on this exact subject here.

M 2 cents...

If you believe in a predetermined fate, then the outcome was pre determined.

However, if you believe in Randomness, Chaos and Mathmatics, then it was just statistically your time to win/lose.

Thank You Lotso... I apologize if there is repetition on the subject, however; thank you for the comment none the less...

My Scenario: I get 10 free spins at a 3x multiplier... before i click spin, do you think the game has already predetermined my win, or is every spin random and that anything can happen???

**KasinoKing** · 24th May 2010, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by bluetoothless

If you were to get the Free Spins on a particular game, do you think that your chances of winning any particular combination during the free spins are good or do you think before you even decide to play, the outcome may have already been predetermined for you...

What's the difference?
If the spins are truly random you will win between X and Y.
If the predetermined win is truly random you will win between X and Y.

I tend to believe random as far as free-spins go; because the programmer would have to be a real bastard to design a predetermined win of ZERO!

You know, I've been playing slots just about EVERY DAY since 2005 and I can't saw with hand on heart that they are 100% definitely random - but I think they are.

KK

**Nate** · 24th May 2010, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by KasinoKing

What's the difference?
If the spins are truly random you will win between X and Y.
If the predetermined win is truly random you will win between X and Y.

I tend to believe random as far as free-spins go; because the programmer would have to be a real bastard to design a predetermined win of ZERO!

You know, I've been playing slots just about EVERY DAY since 2005 and I can't saw with hand on heart that they are 100% definitely random - but I think they are.

KK

Lets say i got 10 free spins at a 3 X multiplier... and for some reason i see the outcome of the free spins before they are even spun (software blip)... would that then mean that they are still random ...or that they are predetermined and each spin was already calculated before you hit the feature?

**KasinoKing** · 24th May 2010, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by bluetoothless

Lets say i got 10 free spins at a 3 X multiplier... and for some reason i see the outcome of the free spins before they are even spun (software blip)... would that then mean that they are still random ...or that they are predetermined and each spin was already calculated before you hit the feature?

Again, what's the difference?

When you see the reels spinning on your screen, that is just "eye candy".
The moment you click on spin the outcome is instantly determined.
It has been confirmed by an RTG engineer that their free-spins are all generated at once and then sent to your computer in one "packet" of information. No reason to think other softwares don't work the same.

KK

**mrjones** · 24th May 2010, 07:34 PM

hi i would of thought that its pre done , if the software fails you log back in & carry on from where it failed so i would of thought it knows what you would of got before you pressed start , bm casino now have a load up game when you hit a feature so its kind of the same. cant see that as random at all , not unless that part of it is random.

**Nate** · 24th May 2010, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by KasinoKing

Again, what's the difference?

When you see the reels spinning on your screen, that is just "eye candy".
The moment you click on spin the outcome is instantly determined.
It has been confirmed by an RTG engineer that their free-spins are all generated at once and then sent to your computer in one "packet" of information. No reason to think other softwares don't work the same.

KK

I like that Explanation... Thanks KK

**bgermain1985** · 24th May 2010, 07:43 PM

I'm going to say that it is random.

Especially with free spins. I mean, there's been times where I win 57c off a 40c wager during bonus round.

I've bet 1c and have won 40$ during free spins (4000x total bet)

Now, again that is free spins. Multiplier wins and wheel wins are far from honest depending on the game. Things like that I like to refer to as 'weighted'.

For example, you can win a range of 3x-100x total bet. In that case, I like to think your prize is predetermined and then unclaimed prizes are randomly calculated. In 3 reel wheel bonuses, those big prize money wheels will selectively spot on smaller pays and do not correctly reflect the 'suggested' odds on landing a particular value. Reminds me of those ticket games for wheel of fortune or Cyclone where you chase the light going in circles. That is a skill game, yes, but the timing window for the value you actually want is much smaller than the rest of them.

**lots0** · 24th May 2010, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by bluetoothless

Thank You Lotso... I apologize if there is repetition on the subject, however; thank you for the comment none the less...

No need to apologize. What I meant was... there is a LOT of info on this paticular subject here... even some perdy good rants and argments from all kinds of experts and players, if you care to look around.