Tradition - Closed or NOT?

[lots0]

I think we have have a language misunderstanding, happens when you have non native speakers trying to communicate.

Please correct me if I am wrong, I believe when maphesto said "blackjack" he/she meant "21".
This is a common mistake for non native english speakers to make.

Blackjack = Ace and face card.

21= card count.

[Pinababy69]

I think we have have a language misunderstanding, happens when you have non native speakers trying to communicate.

Please correct me if I am wrong, I believe when maphesto said "blackjack" he/she meant "21".
This is a common mistake for non native english speakers to make.

Blackjack = Ace and face card.

21= card count.

LOL lots0, I (and Maphesto) were referring to the Tradition rep's assertion (in the cheating Tradition thread), that the skilled players would get more blackjacks (not 21, but blackjacks). Which led us all to the conclusion that she didn't even have a rudimentary understanding of the game. And didn't understand that there is zero skill involved in getting an Ace and a Face dealt to you. And thus, had no business running a casino.

My lame attempt at sarcasm.

[lots0]

Ahh, OK.

This is what happens when you don't keep up with stuff here...

[maphesto]

I think we have have a language misunderstanding, happens when you have non native speakers trying to communicate.

Nah!

There are absolutely more hard to communicate man-woman than using english on this board. At least, we on the board are trying to use same language...

Please correct me if I am wrong, I believe when maphesto said "blackjack" he/she meant "21".

I'm all man. At least last time I looked.

[lots0]

I'm all man. At least last time I looked.

LOL... I thought so, but the "I have a headache" thing made me wonder...

I hear that from my woman... a lot. (just jokeing... really, I was Honey...)

[vinylweatherman]

LOL lots0, I (and Maphesto) were referring to the Tradition rep's assertion (in the cheating Tradition thread), that the skilled players would get more blackjacks (not 21, but blackjacks). Which led us all to the conclusion that she didn't even have a rudimentary understanding of the game. And didn't understand that there is zero skill involved in getting an Ace and a Face dealt to you. And thus, had no business running a casino.

My lame attempt at sarcasm.

The thread was about short payment of 1:1 on BLACKJACKS. "21" ALWAYS pays 1:1, only a dealt BJ benefits from 3:2. There was no language barrier, since the comment related to skilled players getting more BLACKJACKS, and was in defence of figures showing too few BLACKJACKS having been recorded in a given number of games.

The rep cannot wriggle out of this by saying this was an error due to the language barrier, she made it clear she meant BJs, which should have been paid 3:2, but were mistakenly paid 1:1.

The announcement to affiliates said they had held off for MONTHS before taking this decision, so they were ALREADY struggling BEFORE this problem emerged with the Blackjack short payments, which was explained away as a mistake made by a trainee, yet was not PROPERLY fixed for a MONTH, despite being reported much earlier by another player.

This looks VERY SUSPICIOUS, and more like "sharp practice" was being employed to dig them out of a hole, and hoping they could get away with it for long enough.

Transparency - don't make me laugh

Rival have long been known for their secrecy, in particular the oddities of supposedly independent operators having full access to player details from other, supposedly independent Rival casinos. This was explained away by a vague reference to a "central database" to control FRAUD, but also to set "player ratings". Even when the white label structure became more "out in the open", Rival again did their best to keep the secret which has NOW emerged, that most "operators" are nothing more than "super affiliates", who can easily ditch their casinos, with the REAL operator (Bonne Chance) able to take them over QUICKLY and SEAMLESSLY for players. It looks like they were ALREADY the operators, and the speed with which Rival have been able to achieve these "rescues" is because there was little more to do than move the "front" for the casino to a different web domain.

When casinos move between REAL operators, the "front" ALSO moves with it, and this is TRULY "seamless". WHY THE HELL does Igaming.pro want to hang on to the original Tradition domain when they have SHUT THE CASINO!

It looks like all these Rival closures and "rescues" by Rival have been VERY ACRIMONIOUS INDEED, with the former "super affiliates" doing their best to make life as hard as possible for Bonne Chance. IF these were "friendly" business arrangements, the original domains would be handed to Bonne Chance along with the casinos. THIS would be TRULY seamless.

This looks like a domino effect, one Rival after another is tumbling, and being taken back by Bonne Chance.

What if Bonne Chance themselves don't have the backing to pay players & affiliates, after all, they are "just the software supplier"

[maphesto]

The thread was about short payment of 1:1 on BLACKJACKS. "21" ALWAYS pays 1:1, only a dealt BJ benefits from 3:2. There was no language barrier, since the comment related to skilled players getting more BLACKJACKS, and was in defence of figures showing too few BLACKJACKS having been recorded in a given number of games.

The rep cannot wriggle out of this by saying this was an error due to the language barrier, she made it clear she meant BJs, which should have been paid 3:2, but were mistakenly paid 1:1.

Haha, lots0 didn't understand when Pina and I discussed it because he wasn't here when the Tradition-girl made her stupid comment about BJ and skill.

That's why he thought it was a language barrier between me and Pina..

This means that it this time wasn't regarding same language barrier the Tradition girl sometimes blamed everything on.

The announcement to affiliates said they had held off for MONTHS before taking this decision, so they were ALREADY struggling BEFORE this problem emerged with the Blackjack short payments, which was explained away as a mistake made by a trainee, yet was not PROPERLY fixed for a MONTH, despite being reported much earlier by another player.

This looks VERY SUSPICIOUS, and more like "sharp practice" was being employed to dig them out of a hole, and hoping they could get away with it for long enough.

Yes!

And together with their own reputation they dragged some more reputable Rivals in the mud.

I doubt very much that Slot Power and Vanguard had thrown in the towel by now if the BJ scandal didn't take place at all.

[vinylweatherman]

Haha, lots0 didn't understand when Pina and I discussed it because he wasn't here when the Tradition-girl made her stupid comment about BJ and skill.

That's why he thought it was a language barrier between me and Pina..

This means that it this time wasn't regarding same language barrier the Tradition girl sometimes blamed everything on.



Yes!

And together with their own reputation they dragged some more reputable Rivals in the mud.

I doubt very much that Slot Power and Vanguard had thrown in the towel by now if the BJ scandal didn't take place at all.

This surely demonstrates the power of fora such as this. This kind of thing can no longer be "swept under the carpet". If fora did not have such an influence, this would have been a minor hiccup, and NOT a big scandal that resulted in many affiliates pulling the banners, and players taking fright.

Other operators thinking of trying a similar "shortcut to profit" should beware of what MIGHT happen if they are "caught with their fingers in the till".

[lots0]

I am backing out of this.

I am NOT a fan of RIVAL or of Tradition.

As a matter of fact I suggest people avoid all casinos run by RIVAL or AKA Bonne Chance like they would avoid the Black Death. (I am talking about white labels or whatever casinos call themselves that use RIVAL payment processing and/or customer service).

[felicie]

[QUOTE=takethemoney;368176]Well, does zero accredited Rival casinos tell you anything? All that does is tell me to run![/QUOTE

Guess I said it wrong but I'm in total agreement with you on the 'run' which is what I did last year.


"Bullshit is a two-way street..."
With Rival it's a six lane highway but that's just my opinion.