Sahara Sands Casino - 50$ No Welcome Deposit Bonus - Misleading Rules

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At Sharara Sands, at this new Rival I signed up and requested their no deposit welcome bonus. I won 400 very shortly. I read the rules about what games are restricted before starting to play. However, browsing their game menu, I noticed that there is some problem. Their rule is:

'Unless otherwise stated, 1 credit wagered in a game counts as 1 credit toward playthrough requirements. Play at the following games, and any variants, does not count towards playthrough requirements and winnings may be considered null and void: Roulette, Sicbo, RedDog, Baccarat, PaiGow, War, ThreeCard, LetItRide, Craps, DoubleUp, CaribStud, GameSet, Slot Progressive. Play at the following games, and any variants, count toward playthrough requirements at a reduced rate: Blackjack (1/5) Keno (1/2) Videopoker (1/10) '

When I read this, I thought 'Double-Up' is a kind of game. I am not familiar with all card games and video pokers, I thought it is a kind of card game, as it can be read that Video Poker is allowed. Actually in this rule they are talking about games: 'Play at the following games'. But I noticed in the Card Game list when I went to play Blackjack that there is no such game. Actually I run through all the menus. No such game. So I had the suspicion that this refers to the Video Poker Double Up. I went to Live Chat, and they confirmed this. I played Video poker, but only a few hands, however I doubled up, but only a few times, and won a minor amount only (I won the 400 on a regular slot). I asked the Chat Operator what will happen now, and whether they will consider that this rule is misleading to those people who are not familiar with all the games. He kept on telling me that the Security Department will decide when I cash out. However the WR is 7500, and I don't want to do this much wager in case the whole thing is useless now because of this stupidly written rule. What do you think about it? I think I should be eligible for the winnings in any case, because this rule refers to games, and not features. It clearly says 'games'. Not a word about features. In this case Double Up is considered a game by the rule. It is the casinos problem, that there is no such game. In case they had written: feature, I would accept that my winnings may be forfeited, but in this condition, not. What do you think?

Moreover accoarding to the chat operators answer, the 'GameSet' that is also referred to as a game in the rule seems to be a game feature. But it didn't turn out which. Based on this any winnings can be confiscated from anyone, because it might refer to any feature. I told this to the operator, he replied it is not like that, because these restricted features are disabled ineed in the software, so you cannot play them during your bonus play. Well, this is also a lie, because in Video Poker it is not disabled, and as the operator told me, the restriction refers to Video Poker as well. Crazy rules, ineed...

I personally hate such places. It already happened to me recently several times that I won on a free chip, met the WR, and couldn't cash out because of some misleading info. Like at Rialto Casino at Top Game, and also at many others.

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I read somewhere that alot of players were having a hard time signing up so I went to the T&Cs :

5.3 Players from the following locations are not permitted to play at Sahara Sands Online Casino: Netherlands Antilles, Canada, Cayman Islands, South Africa, Turkey and the following US States: New York, Utah, Michigan, Oregon, Illinois, Louisiana, Indiana, Nevada, New Jersey, Kentucky, Wisconsin, Washington, South Dakota.
 
I just sent a note to the Rep about this thread.
Hope they come here & reply.
~T~

Thank you , T. If he comes indeed I would also like to know what this GameSet refers to exactly. Their chat operator didn't make it clear either. :confused:
 
I think I should be eligible for the winnings in any case, because this rule refers to games, and not features. It clearly says 'games'. Not a word about features. In this case Double Up is considered a game by the rule. It is the casinos problem, that there is no such game. In case they had written: feature, I would accept that my winnings may be forfeited, but in this condition, not. What do you think?
An excellent point! :thumbsup:
I'm pretty sure nearly all Rival casino bonuses have this in the terms, and like you I have always assumed this to mean "Doubling Up" via the gamble feature on VP & Slots.
I've never worried about it before because I never play VP at Rivals, and never gamble any slots wins, but you are right - it's not a game as such in it's own right.

This is a VERY difficult one to call; I would expect winnings to be voided if I used the Double Up feature, but the term is ambiguous like you say because it's not a game.

Hopefully the casino will see the argument & let you keep your winnings.
I also hope this gets back to Rival and triggers a clarification in the rules for the future.
(I also hope to see the Tooth Fairy & Santa Clause walking hand-in-hand down my road tonight... :p)

KK
 
The person whose affiliate link I used contacted me today and told me he was told by the affiliate manager that I will be allowed to withdraw in case I manage to meet the WR. I hope I will be able to test it, hopefully for the max. amount. :notworthy

I am satified, but it is quite disappointing that such things cannot be clarified by the Live Chat effectively. I don't mean that the live chat operator should be expertly informed in every rule, but at least I should feel when I leave the live chat, that my case will be checked by an expert fast and accurately. The responses I got in live chat was mostly about maybe's. What I dislike the most in such cases is that you are promised that some manager will look into your case, then numerous days later you receive a letter, and there is chance that that letter won't tell you much more accurate things. I think many casinos should change this practice, that every time there is such a mistake, you are required to run long rounds to get a correct and sure answer. Especially in such case when the rule is so ambiguos. Luckily it ended in a much better way.
 
Sumb'tch! I never noticed that in Rival's bonus terms before! Sloto'Cash has it too. I always looked for VP in the absolute no-no list and haven't "seen" the "DoubleUp" - right between "Craps" and "CaribStud" - in all this time - 2 years +.

I don't think I've ever played VP before I've met the WR on a promo cuz of the lightweight contribution but if I had I would have doubled-up, damn skippy!

KasinoKing said:
...This is a VERY difficult one to call; I would expect winnings to be voided if I used the Double Up feature, but the term is ambiguous like you say because it's not a game...

As ambiguous as it was carefully word-crafted to be (you don't actually believe that "DoubleUp" doesn't even appear on the same line as "Videopoker" on the restricted games list by accident, do you?), I don't think that, if you had the stats on how many cases this rule has been applied to, with force, you'd see Rival or Rival operators having any difficulty in calling it, whatsoever. And don't you find it odd that, while playing to meet WR, VP limits are lowered but the double up feature isn't de-activated? Yeah, me neither!
 
When I played my first Rival a couple months ago I live chatted and asked what the gameset/double up games were since they were excluded. Eventually, I figured out what the double up was but never did understand what the word gameset meant.

They need to be more clear because on most of the promos it does ban those two plus the slot progressives...
 
I read somewhere that alot of players were having a hard time signing up so I went to the T&Cs :

5.3 Players from the following locations are not permitted to play at Sahara Sands Online Casino: Netherlands Antilles, Canada, Cayman Islands, South Africa, Turkey and the following US States: New York, Utah, Michigan, Oregon, Illinois, Louisiana, Indiana, Nevada, New Jersey, Kentucky, Wisconsin, Washington, South Dakota.

Thanks for that info. Don't need to waste my time downloading. I think that's the first Rival that bans players from individual states.
 
Is it April Fools day at Sahara Sands

Hi Everyone,

I don't know why I even bother playing at any rival casino anymore.

I would like to share my lovely chat session with the my new friend Jake!

All operators are currently assisting others. Thanks for your patience. You are currently placed in queue number 2. The average wait is 17seconds. An operator will be with you shortly.

You are now chatting with 'Jake'

Jake: Welcome to casino Live Chat. How may I help you?

rhondagrace: Hi id livefree247 livefreexxxxx

Jake: May I ask for which casino this is?

rhondagrace: I made a deposit last night of 50 took your 100% match played for a while, my question is why do I have zero comps?

rhondagrace: Sharara Sands

Jake: One moment please.

Jake: I'm afraid that your account still isn't qualified for comp points.:what:

rhondagrace: what do you mean

rhondagrace: I made a deposit

rhondagrace: I only played slots

rhondagrace: ?

Jake: We are currently extremely busy. Please be patient I will be with you shortly. I apologize for this delay.

Jake: It has to do with your account class, it's still ineligible for comp points.

rhondagrace: since when did rival make this rule?

rhondagrace: or is this just Sahara Sands


Jake: I'm afraid that I'm not allowed to give out information about the other rival casinos.

rhondagrace: LMAO! thats funny

rhondagrace: ok Jake

Your chat transcript will be sent to livefreexxxx at the end of your chat.

Jake: Is there anything else I can help you with?

rhondagrace: Bye


WTF is this Bullshit?? my account hasent been approved for comp points??

I'm afraid that your account still isn't qualified for comp points :what:

I'm gonna scream
 
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And after all the deposits I've made to Rival in the last 4 years, a little pop up says something about $25 verification deposit? give me a break. Did get a kick out of the candy slot though so thanks bingo t for the heads up on the ND. :)
 
BTW as an Affiliate I just put your links and banners in the trash bin on my site...won't be promoting you.

Anyway, Dose anyone know if this AM Grant, is the old affiliate manager from Players Palace casino...
if it is, I doubt he will reply to this thread..from my experience with him, he never replied to any of my past query's.
 
BTW as an Affiliate I just put your links and banners in the trash bin on my site...won't be promoting you.

Anyway, Dose anyone know if this AM Grant, is the old affiliate manager from Players Palace casino...
if it is, I doubt he will reply to this thread..from my experience with him, he never replied to any of my past query's.
Hey Livefree247 if it is this guy "Grant" is it good or bad?
I do have to say the last few emails I sent him "This Grant guy" has been very good in the reply dept.
But....... the last one's I did send him & maybe because it was Sat & Sun
I just hope he does reply to my last one's I sent.
Or I will be :mad:
~T~
 
Thanks BingoT :)

I will be posting in the Introductions forum, but thought I should reply to this thread first to explain the player classifications, and the $25 verification deposit.

Initial player classification is to deem whether players are illegible for comp points or not. The classification runs at midnight, daily on our system. This is due to us running a 50 (Dollars, Pounds or Euros) no deposit offer with a max cashout of 250 for new players. If a player decides to take the 50 free bonus, they obviously will not qualify for comp points as they have not made a purchase, and are excluded from that classification. As soon as a player makes a purchase, they fall into the classification that does receive comp points. If they have taken the 50 no deposit offer, and then made a purchase, they will be moved into the "comp points" classification immediately after the report has run.

In regards to the $25 verification deposit, even though a player may have purchased at other Rival casino's, we operate independantly, and have no access to their information from player accounts with other operators. If you have played with our $50 no deposit bonus and won, you would need to make a $25 purchase for us to be able to verify your payment details, and you could then withdraw the full $275 ($250 + $25) back into that account.

I hope this makes sense...

Please feel free to contact me at grant@playdosh.com to discuss further, or for more info.

Best Regards
Grant
 
Thanks BingoT :)

I will be posting in the Introductions forum, but thought I should reply to this thread first to explain the player classifications, and the $25 verification deposit.

Initial player classification is to deem whether players are illegible for comp points or not. The classification runs at midnight, daily on our system. This is due to us running a 50 (Dollars, Pounds or Euros) no deposit offer with a max cashout of 250 for new players. If a player decides to take the 50 free bonus, they obviously will not qualify for comp points as they have not made a purchase, and are excluded from that classification. As soon as a player makes a purchase, they fall into the classification that does receive comp points. If they have taken the 50 no deposit offer, and then made a purchase, they will be moved into the "comp points" classification immediately after the report has run.

In regards to the $25 verification deposit, even though a player may have purchased at other Rival casino's, we operate independantly, and have no access to their information from player accounts with other operators. If you have played with our $50 no deposit bonus and won, you would need to make a $25 purchase for us to be able to verify your payment details, and you could then withdraw the full $275 ($250 + $25) back into that account.

I hope this makes sense...

Please feel free to contact me at grant@playdosh.com to discuss further, or for more info.

Best Regards
Grant




well I ve taken the 50 nd and lost it....then I made a deposit for 62 and got the 100% bonus...cleared the wagering and won 188( I only play slots...so no problems I assume)...I have no comp points at all....I asked live chat(3 days ago) and I was told to wait for an email from tech deprtment...never got one.

My withdraw is still pending...I deposited via QT so I assume I do not need a verification deposit...correct?Nor doocs ....cause I havent received a notification sofar....4 days later!!!

Ive received an e-mail at the time I submitted my withdraw (I have copy of course)it was thursday afternoon, where it says: your withdraw will be processed WITHIN 2 business days.....which happen to be NOW.

So,(an hour ago) I diligently went to live chat help :)rolleyes:)and the answer was : sorry the email you received was a MISTAKE...it will take 2 to 5 business days.!!!!( I should receive the copy of the chat....sofar I didnt :D)

:cool::cool::cool:
 
saharasandscasino.com>Add sender to ContactsTo: xxxxxxxxxx

Dear giovanni,
Your username is: xxxxxx ( this one was on thursday evening 4/15/2010)

We have received your withdrawal request of . Your withdrawal will be processed within 2 business days. If at any point within 24 hours of making the withdrawal you wish to continue playing you may reverse your withdrawal (in full or part) by entering the cashier and clicking on the cash-out link. After 24 hours, if you'd like to reverse your withdrawal please contact the support team at Sahara Sands Casino on any of the contact options listed below.

Kind Regards,

Scott McKnight
Sahara Sands Casino Manager
www.saharasandscasino.com

Email:
support@saharasandscasino.com

Telephone:
North America: 877-320-8589




casino support.

General Info
Chat start time Apr 19, 2010 2:32:13 PM EST
Chat end time Apr 19, 2010 2:40:38 PM EST
Duration (actual chatting time) 00:08:24
Operator Xander


Chat Transcript
info: All operators are currently assisting others. Thanks for your patience. You are currently placed in queue number 1. The average wait is 21seconds. An operator will be with you shortly.
info: You are now chatting with 'Xander'
Xander: Welcome to Sahara Sands Casino Live Support. How may I assist you?
gianni27: Hello. screen name : gianni27 email gianni27xxxxxxxx sahara sands
gianni27: can you please tell me when am i suppose to receive my withdraw? I want to play....lol
Xander: A withdrawal will take 2 to 5 business days, weekends not included
info: Your chat transcript will be sent to gianxxxxx@yahoo.com at the end of your chat.
gianni27: the email I received at the time of my withdraw sais WITHIN 2 business days
gianni27: xander u thare?
gianni27: helloooooo
Xander: One moment please.
gianni27: k
Xander: im sorry about this email, it must have been a mistake but the avreage days are 2 to 5 business days
gianni27: well I didnt make the MISTAKE....so I was waiting for my money today...
gianni27: its a withdraw to QT
Xander: im sorry but your withdrawal ius still processing
Xander: is*
gianni27: what can I say...??? I will wait
gianni27: thanks A LOT
Xander: You are very welcome.
Xander: Have a nice day.
Xander: Thank you for using Live Support. Should you



To: "giaxxxx" <xxxxxxx>Here is a copy of your recent chat with casino support.

General Info
Chat start time Apr 19, 2010 6:51:50 PM EST
Chat end time Apr 19, 2010 6:58:21 PM EST
Duration (actual chatting time) 00:06:31
Operator Craig


Chat Transcript
info: All operators are currently assisting others. Thanks for your patience. You are currently placed in queue number 1. The average wait is 7seconds. An operator will be with you shortly.
info: You are now chatting with 'Craig'
Craig: Welcome to Sahara Sands Casino Live Support. How may I assist you?
gianni27: hi. gianni27 xxxxxx@ sahara sands
gianni27: the e-mail i received at time of my cashout sais it will be processed WITHIN 2 business days...which happens to be now...lol
Craig: well once your papers have been aproved
Craig: you have to wait 2 to 5 business days to get your winnings
gianni27: I was never asked for any papers
gianni27: i deposited QT
gianni27: and asked a withdraw via QT
Craig: well
Craig: then
Craig: 2 to 5 business days
gianni27: are u aleways SO NICE to customer?
Craig: should I not be nice to you?
gianni27: ok.....
info: Your chat transcript will be sent to gian@yahoo.com at the end of your chat.



Make and pull your own conclusions....:rolleyes:
nice people arent they???:D
 

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