RTG's - What have we learned can be controlled in the backend?

[takethemoney]

Ok, so there has been speculation about what the operators of RTG casinos can and cannot control. Some of it has been quite wild speculation, such as rumors of the proverbial "switch".

In the past month I have learned that the operator can control the RTP...sort of. Most recently I have learned that the random jackpot does not reset to the same amount in all casinos. At Rushmore I noticed one start off at $5000, not the normal $1000 like most. I also learned about reel symbols and how they can be changed by the casino. I also just learned that the rate the Random Jackpot accumulates is an operator setting.

Here is a potential biggie:
The rate a random jackpot builds is an operator setting in the back end. Have you ever played and felt nobody else was playing, since the number on the RJ was not moving? I thought the counter was broken recently. Support emailed me back and told me the game was set to only move 1c for every 50 spins at $1 per spin. Hence, it has been revealed that too is an operator setting. They can also make it look like the casino is quite busy changing this setting.

So my question is, how can we really trust RTG to be truely random? Does everyone really believe it is? How will we ever know for sure? How much trust do you all put on Technical Testing Sytems? I can put a label on my website too, telling me that the software has been tested for randomness. That doesn't make it true. I read a lot of complaints about the way the games play lately. It seems worse in the past couple years. I feel this too as I play.
Who are we small gamblers to question anything a casino tells us?

I have pretty much given up RTG as I have a gut feeling that what I suspect will soon come to light. Now I understand there has to be a winner once in awhile, and the casino has to continue to boast it's 95.6% payout or whatever they say. Who is watching over who is telling us all this? Yes, people, it's ok to question things!

[Dangerous53]

It was always my understanding that the RJ was around 1.5% of RTP, which would mean 50 spins at $1 on a 96% RTP should increase the RJ by .70 or so. Whoever let it slip to you about the settings would probably be in big trouble if management found out.

As far as the reel symbols go, I thought it depended on what the RTP was set to, which can't be changed without RTG approval. That was my understanding from a previous post anyways.

Ah, the good old days of ignorance, the more I learn, the less it makes me want to play.

[takethemoney]

I don't know that they would be in trouble if it has little bearing on anything. I suspect that we've been bamboozled for awhile on this. 1c for every 50 spins at $1 is pretty bad, IMO. I know I personally played $8000 thru a machine who's jackpot at the time was just over $10,000. That was pretty dumb of me but I was challenged to see if I could hit it. The machine's jackpot last time I checked was over $20,000. So, what I'm starting to believe, generally, is when these things pay they have taken in an obscene amount of money.

It was always my understanding that the RJ was around 1.5% of RTP, which would mean 50 spins at $1 on a 96% RTP should increase the RJ by .70 or so. Whoever let it slip to you about the settings would probably be in big trouble if management found out.

As far as the reel symbols go, I thought it depended on what the RTP was set to, which can't be changed without RTG approval. That was my understanding from a previous post anyways.

Ah, the good old days of ignorance, the more I learn, the less it makes me want to play.

[Pinababy69]

LOL...I'm the only one who voted yes? Wow, talk about being the lone wolf in the crowd. So just out of curiousity...for those 10 people (so far) who voted no....why do you still play? If I didn't believe it was random, that would mean it's a fixed or rigged game...to some degree anyway. And if I believed that, I would quit playing tomorrow. I don't get it.

[DogBoy001]

Most recently I have learned that the random jackpot does not reset to the same amount in all casinos.

And as has been explained several times, operators are able to choose whether they have a reset of $1000 or a reset of $5000, and the percentage increment is set to (a) for the $1000 reset and (b) for the $5000 reset.
This difference in increment is so that RTP is consistent.

I also learned about reel symbols and how they can be changed by the casino.

I suggest you learn some more then, as your investigation is incorrect.

Reel symbol changes are part of the back-end defined RTP settings.
i.e.: There may be differences between the reel strip on a 97% game compared to a 95% game, for instance.
To say that casinos are able to adjust reel strips directly and arbitrarily is not the case.

Here is a potential biggie:
The rate a random jackpot builds is an operator setting in the back end. Have you ever played and felt nobody else was playing, since the number on the RJ was not moving? I thought the counter was broken recently. Support emailed me back and told me the game was set to only move 1c for every 50 spins at $1 per spin. Hence, it has been revealed that too is an operator setting.

No, actually that doesn't mean it's an operator setting, it means the operator has selected option 2 from a back-end setting.
Accumulation is not displayed in real time, for the same reason it isn't updated in real time in land-based casinos, so the meter never stops.
As stated previously though, if you go back to the lobby and re-enter the game, the jackpot meters re-sync.

How much trust do you all put on Technical Testing Sytems?

Well just about every major regulator has certified TST to carry out these functions, if that helps.

Woooof

[XOXOXOXOXOX]

So just out of curiousity...for those 10 people (so far) who voted no....why do you still play? If I didn't believe it was random, that would mean it's a fixed or rigged game...to some degree anyway. And if I believed that, I would quit playing tomorrow. I don't get it.

i did not vote and i don't believe its truly random but i do play because there is still a chance to win and get some entertainment. Just accept it as a part of the game.

[TOC]

The fact is takethemoney posts negative threads and posts about anything and everything negitive. Search the posts, it's like Debbie Downer on SNL! I don't know if software providers cheat, or casinos but why post the same shit over and over again without something to back it up? Geesh.. If I was a software provider and read this thread I'd be coming after your butt! Why must we go on and on about the same ole crap. If RTG cheats then all software providers do, so everyone needs to stop playing online. Not a good poll, rather disgusting to the industry and anyone affiliated with RTG or their casino's. JMP ....

[4 of a kind]

Dogboy001,

Since you are a technician that actually works with casino software I truly respect your comments. If you don't mind I hope I can ask a few questions.

Based on all your technical posts which are numerous and informative, should we then put our minds at ease that everything is 110% straight up with online casino software?

Would it be safe to say that all the players here when combined which would equate to millions of hours of play time, and taking into consideration all this experience of past and present results; any suspicions we the players have at least about the software, should be considered ridicules and that their is no chance of any foul play on the casinos side, at least with the software you are familiar with?

Do you have access to the entire program of any one software provider, or just work on parts of a particular program?

Would it be safe to say that we could consider the information you provide us here, similar to having our own personal software tester?

Have you ever been aware of any software foul play of any type what so ever in your work place?

I know you mentioned in the past that you would request to RTG to offer the players a Real-Series version with no random jackpot. Exactly what is your job description?

[KasinoKing]

LOL...I'm the only one who voted yes? Wow, talk about being the lone wolf in the crowd. So just out of curiousity...for those 10 people (so far) who voted no....why do you still play? If I didn't believe it was random, that would mean it's a fixed or rigged game...to some degree anyway. And if I believed that, I would quit playing tomorrow. I don't get it.

Totally agree.
If you don't like what you're getting with RTG - go elsewhere!

If RTG cheats then all software providers do, so everyone needs to stop playing online.

Pretty twisted logic there.
But then, we've come to be used to that from you, an RTG casino operator.

KK

[TOC]

Dogboy001,

Since you are a technician that actually works with casino software I truly respect your comments. If you don't mind I hope I can ask a few questions.

Based on all your technical posts which are numerous and informative, should we then put our minds at ease that everything is 110% straight up with online casino software?

Would it be safe to say that all the players here when combined which would equate to millions of hours of play time, and taking into consideration all this experience of past and present results; any suspicions we the players have at least about the software, should be considered ridicules and that their is no chance of any foul play on the casinos side, at least with the software you are familiar with?

Do you have access to the entire program of any one software provider, or just work on parts of a particular program?

Would it be safe to say that we could consider the information you provide us here, similar to having our own personal software tester?

Have you ever been aware of any software foul play of any type what so ever in your work place?

I know you mentioned in the past that you would request to RTG to offer the players a Real-Series version with no random jackpot. Exactly what is your job description?

I think it's land based casinos, so where does online come into play, even if he/she really works with casino software for a land based software provider. Takethemoney should share credentials or back off in my opinion. And as we all know land based is totally different than online so whats the point?
Oh MY.