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    I’ve been reading thread after thread, about endless online casino complaints. I would have to guess that negative threads here out post positive ones by 4 to 1. No doubt this is a place to get real time information on current events along with critical information needed if you’re willing to even risk your money gambling in cyberspace.

    Online gambling in its present form leaves a lot to be desired for the majority. I would compare online gambling today similar to riding a Bobsled down a mountain and before you could come to a safe stop at the bottom you have to cross a four lane major highway at 80 mph with no brakes.

    Taking all of the past complaining threads (and many more new ones are coming) into consideration, I think online players should this year take into serious consideration what they are willing to actually donate to online gaming.

    I also think it’s time for online players to really understand what it is you’re up against when risking your money in cyberspace. (At least in my view) Mavin1 has an active thread running named “Exterminating of the low-roller” which I found very interesting, and reveals many of the current concerns for many online players, and prompted me to create this thread. Although it’s an interesting topic it’s a true sign of online players not understanding where they really stand when in cyberspace.

    Online casino owners for the most part had to be high risking gamblers from the get go to even get involved in such a risky unknown future. Even though some now trade publicly on the London Exchange, no one could of known for sure which road it may have taken from the beginning only several years ago. We all know where it stands today, but the early investors didn’t know, which in turn should tell you about their personalities a bit. This type of risk taker explains why today the amount of rogues that are still operating and stealing from us with no fear of any law. It also explains why most of the online casinos operate the way they do simply because they can.

    I guess after years of running online casinos like Gestapo’s they must realize the new player pit is bottomless, or it’s just being treated like all good things must come to an end. In addition one of the new concerns on this forum is that online casinos are now showing less concern about the low-rollers. For the long term it would be senseless for online casinos to blow off the low-roller, but who said they are in fact here for the long term.

    The big B&M casino properties bring in low rollers by the bus loads after bus loads all week from Monday to Thursday. This no doubt is one of the ways land casinos keep the backbone of their business straight. These players many of whom are retired have a great time and most of them are truly the ones that gamble for entertainment. They earn comps that could be exchanged for many of the additional endless offerings offered at land casinos other then gambling. There comps could also earn them cold cash refunds to do with what they please with it, with no bullshit play through requirement. At the end of the day they could just cash in their comps earned for cash and take it home with them. They get free buffets along with many other free offerings and are treated and respected like the important part of the business they actually are.

    From Monday to Thursday these types of players are treated (in their world) to a degree like high rollers. The casinos realize they also are grooming many players to become loyal players, and many will become weekend warriors in the future willing to risk even more. Many of the players loading into buses during the week or visit the casinos are not just retired players. Many are rookies just getting their feet wet and if treated right could in the future become high roller customers for the casino. These casinos do their best trying to keep their present customers from experiencing other ones knowing that many gamblers are creatures of habit. Other casinos may offer better deals then theirs, but a happy customer is usually a permanent one. To this day I am still a loyal customer to the Taj in AC. Even if I'm going to Bogata for a poker tournament I'm staying at the Taj.

    Although the weekend degenerates usually make or break the land casinos, the weekday crowd plays an integral part of the business.

    I think online casinos could never offer up what we all consider to be fair. First of all regardless how good a reputation some might have, just being online in cyberspace will always cast a great doubt of integrity and honesty. With the endless amount of complaints we read about here, can you imagine the amount of complaints throughout the whole web combined.

    Think of all the scandals we know to be confirmed fact involving online gaming. Could you imagine if we knew everything? There are endless people out there trying to deceive us personally online, don't think there aren't people out there trying to outsmart casinos. These guys could hack into the CIA for crying out loud. Don’t try to tell me that software programmers and casino workers and or owners wouldn’t stick it in our butts if they felt they could get away with it, while hiding under the cover of cyberspace, with no fear of any law to speak of.

    It has become obvious that jail time for stealing millions from players involving online gambling in the past is not any concern for the crook. If you really believe that online gaming is straight up with the rules that are in place now, and don’t believe that a programmer or owner (not all of course) are not already stealing from us in one form or another, then I have a time machine you could make a bid on and I’ll throw in a bridge that comes with a toll you could collect and keep. If the poker scandal idiots weren’t so greedy they too would also still be having their way with us suckers.

    Of course B&M's are not oblivious to scandal. Who could forget Ron Harris the computer programmer who rigged slots at both Las Vegas, and Atlantic City. But these incidents when uncovered were brought out into the open followed up with jail time. Online casinos fear nothing.

    Because of everything I mentioned already in this post, along with much more, the online casino world will never in it's present form be trusted.

    I also believe although many online casinos owners might have bought into it with decades of longevity in mind, many more of them bought into it with the idea as long as we get our investment back, we'll just ride the wave for as long as it lasts. Although online gambling became legal in some countries, most owners were risking big bucks entering an unknown future and unclear legal ramifications, that eventually came about in the USA market.

    At least for the majority of USA players, I think there will never be a real trust until the named big land based brands are involved online along with the alleged USA government watchdogs that would be put in place.

    With all this being said yes I still presently gamble online. Thanks to some lucky online poker wins I’m still up a few dollars. In my older years I treat online gambling like a needed medication to keep me from returning to my old ways. I was a live casino high roller for decades. But as the older years crept up on me, you suddenly realize you need to keep a tighter hold on what you do have. I except my losses playing online the last couple of years, and will admit I had lots of fun also. Maybe it’s a sad thing I treat my recent losses as fun, but also respect what I do now, knowing what I’m capable of.

    So for the old reformed veteran gambler like myself, online gambling even in its present form does help with keeping me reformed.

    But for many of you online gamblers I read about here, maybe you should consider giving the real world of gambling a serious go of it before you decide to quit. There is much more offered out there then in cyberspace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4 of a kind View Post
    At least for the majority of USA players, I think there will never be a real trust until the named big land based brands are involved online along with the alleged USA government watchdogs that would be put in place.
    Interesting point. Ever since I can remember, the negativity has been a theme - that's the nature of the business, creating winners and losers - but I've noticed increased negativity recently, mainly from North American posters (not a sleight, just an observation).

    So maybe it's possible that a lot of the negativity has either directly or indirectly been caused by the effects of the UIGEA. The withdrawal of the big software providers, difficulties in finding payment processors, subsequently the increase in payment processing costs and possibly even an adjustment to payouts all contributing to a tougher environment for players. And who's left...RTG and Rival. Rival are relatively new and RTG's poor licensing reputation hardly helps gain trust, despite a handful of good eggs in the basket.

    All in all the perpetrators of the UIGEA would be quietly satified to read of gamblers becoming disillusioned I suspect.

    I think while RTG and Rival remain as the only serious choices of software in the US the trend will continue. One point I haven't looked into, but is probably pertinent, is how many of the increased negativity threads are about slots play?


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    Why the heck are we limited on the thank you's we can pass out in a day? I keep running out!

    Thank you 4 of a Kind!!!!!!!!

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    I was thinking the same thing about all these negative post and there is more to it than just player complaints. I know some of you don't see it but just look at the complaints from a USA player's perspective. I've been online gaming for years and never got bored or felt cheated by casinos. I feel right now that I have no choice but to play frugally or just wait out the UIGEA bc something is seriously amiss.

    I plan on hitting the BM casino either tonight or tomorrow. I do believe that the payout structure is different for USA players than our say european players...especially where mcg is involved.

    I still can't get over that monkey a... decison to deny us everything new and exciting at mcg. I've been doing the rival and rtg thing for about a month now and not depositing much bc it is not satisfying. I don't have many choices so I choose to go to Hard Rock and play anything that I want to.

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    hi, i agree with you simmo ,but i would like to add that players are becoming far smarter with slots played & can now pick out funny runs as such high degree spins low payouts etc etc , players dont always moan about losing but when your filling your account more than often & you go to work to earn your monies so you can afford to play it gets a little bit hazy on yet another bad run for the 8th time on the trot ,even more people moaning, they all cant be wrong about something here , so the first place to come is here & vent off about yet another bad streak or whatever the casinos tell them , i myself think also its has alot to do with these large bonus applied on deposits (not all ) it must play with the rtp itself as if only 100 pounds of real money was deposited it now has another 200 pounds of bonus funds aswell played in real , not sure on this one though but i would think along those lines

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    mrjones:they all cant be wrong about something here
    Very well said mrjones, but many will come out and say the same ole, same ole...bad run, etc..just to keep you playing and questioning yourself..well, it has gone on for 2 years or so for me and there is no question left in my mind on if the games /payouts etc have changed..Proof? I need none except for what I feel and my bankroll...nothing says it like your own money...lasting less and less no matter what you do to change the ways of the casinos..

    So keep all your "run of bad luck" etc ..it doesn't work on me anymore..I am 3 days clean (all casinos gone off computer) and am saving up for the landbased casinos (free rooms, food etc wooohooo!) and I think I will have a ton of money to go with now since I haven't played online since. I won't say I will not dabble some, but the thought of traveling and freebies has become a bigger enticement than donating anymore into these sieves (money drains) ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by silcnlayc View Post
    Very well said mrjones, but many will come out and say the same ole, same ole...bad run, etc..just to keep you playing and questioning yourself..well, it has gone on for 2 years or so for me and there is no question left in my mind on if the games /payouts etc have changed..Proof? I need none except for what I feel and my bankroll...nothing says it like your own money...lasting less and less no matter what you do to change the ways of the casinos..

    So keep all your "run of bad luck" etc ..it doesn't work on me anymore..I am 3 days clean (all casinos gone off computer) and am saving up for the landbased casinos (free rooms, food etc wooohooo!) and I think I will have a ton of money to go with now since I haven't played online since. I won't say I will not dabble some, but the thought of traveling and freebies has become a bigger enticement than donating anymore into these sieves (money drains) ..

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    Yeah Silc!!!! Want to plan a day to go to the B&M together, now that would be real fun!!!!!

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    Same here I am tired of losing my money to these casinos. I have better luck at the B & M. Maybe I will show my winning screenshots from the B&M casinos. Like this image below.
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    here here tell you what lets all save up all our monies & have a whole casino for the night free beer free food & or things to aswell music etc etc, the meister club out & about at least we would have a great evening out & have good memorys! kind regards mr jones

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    Love that screenshot Vegetagirl!!!! That is a popular slot at our casino.
    Yes, we should all save up and make a day of it together, that would be a real hoot!

    So much better than sitting at home in the same spot, same chair looking at the same computer day after day after day, watching your money dropping into the abyss!

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