4 of a kind
Repeated violations of forum rule 1.16 - troll
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- Mar 11, 2009
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- New York
Ive been reading thread after thread, about endless online casino complaints. I would have to guess that negative threads here out post positive ones by 4 to 1. No doubt this is a place to get real time information on current events along with critical information needed if youre willing to even risk your money gambling in cyberspace.
Online gambling in its present form leaves a lot to be desired for the majority. I would compare online gambling today similar to riding a Bobsled down a mountain and before you could come to a safe stop at the bottom you have to cross a four lane major highway at 80 mph with no brakes.
Taking all of the past complaining threads (and many more new ones are coming) into consideration, I think online players should this year take into serious consideration what they are willing to actually donate to online gaming.
I also think its time for online players to really understand what it is youre up against when risking your money in cyberspace. (At least in my view) Mavin1 has an active thread running named Exterminating of the low-roller which I found very interesting, and reveals many of the current concerns for many online players, and prompted me to create this thread. Although its an interesting topic its a true sign of online players not understanding where they really stand when in cyberspace.
Online casino owners for the most part had to be high risking gamblers from the get go to even get involved in such a risky unknown future. Even though some now trade publicly on the London Exchange, no one could of known for sure which road it may have taken from the beginning only several years ago. We all know where it stands today, but the early investors didnt know, which in turn should tell you about their personalities a bit. This type of risk taker explains why today the amount of rogues that are still operating and stealing from us with no fear of any law. It also explains why most of the online casinos operate the way they do simply because they can.
I guess after years of running online casinos like Gestapos they must realize the new player pit is bottomless, or its just being treated like all good things must come to an end. In addition one of the new concerns on this forum is that online casinos are now showing less concern about the low-rollers. For the long term it would be senseless for online casinos to blow off the low-roller, but who said they are in fact here for the long term.
The big B&M casino properties bring in low rollers by the bus loads after bus loads all week from Monday to Thursday. This no doubt is one of the ways land casinos keep the backbone of their business straight. These players many of whom are retired have a great time and most of them are truly the ones that gamble for entertainment. They earn comps that could be exchanged for many of the additional endless offerings offered at land casinos other then gambling. There comps could also earn them cold cash refunds to do with what they please with it, with no bullshit play through requirement. At the end of the day they could just cash in their comps earned for cash and take it home with them. They get free buffets along with many other free offerings and are treated and respected like the important part of the business they actually are.
From Monday to Thursday these types of players are treated (in their world) to a degree like high rollers. The casinos realize they also are grooming many players to become loyal players, and many will become weekend warriors in the future willing to risk even more. Many of the players loading into buses during the week or visit the casinos are not just retired players. Many are rookies just getting their feet wet and if treated right could in the future become high roller customers for the casino. These casinos do their best trying to keep their present customers from experiencing other ones knowing that many gamblers are creatures of habit. Other casinos may offer better deals then theirs, but a happy customer is usually a permanent one. To this day I am still a loyal customer to the Taj in AC. Even if I'm going to Bogata for a poker tournament I'm staying at the Taj.
Although the weekend degenerates usually make or break the land casinos, the weekday crowd plays an integral part of the business.
I think online casinos could never offer up what we all consider to be fair. First of all regardless how good a reputation some might have, just being online in cyberspace will always cast a great doubt of integrity and honesty. With the endless amount of complaints we read about here, can you imagine the amount of complaints throughout the whole web combined.
Think of all the scandals we know to be confirmed fact involving online gaming. Could you imagine if we knew everything? There are endless people out there trying to deceive us personally online, don't think there aren't people out there trying to outsmart casinos. These guys could hack into the CIA for crying out loud. Dont try to tell me that software programmers and casino workers and or owners wouldnt stick it in our butts if they felt they could get away with it, while hiding under the cover of cyberspace, with no fear of any law to speak of.
It has become obvious that jail time for stealing millions from players involving online gambling in the past is not any concern for the crook. If you really believe that online gaming is straight up with the rules that are in place now, and dont believe that a programmer or owner (not all of course) are not already stealing from us in one form or another, then I have a time machine you could make a bid on and Ill throw in a bridge that comes with a toll you could collect and keep. If the poker scandal idiots werent so greedy they too would also still be having their way with us suckers.
Of course B&M's are not oblivious to scandal. Who could forget Ron Harris the computer programmer who rigged slots at both Las Vegas, and Atlantic City. But these incidents when uncovered were brought out into the open followed up with jail time. Online casinos fear nothing.
Because of everything I mentioned already in this post, along with much more, the online casino world will never in it's present form be trusted.
I also believe although many online casinos owners might have bought into it with decades of longevity in mind, many more of them bought into it with the idea as long as we get our investment back, we'll just ride the wave for as long as it lasts. Although online gambling became legal in some countries, most owners were risking big bucks entering an unknown future and unclear legal ramifications, that eventually came about in the USA market.
At least for the majority of USA players, I think there will never be a real trust until the named big land based brands are involved online along with the alleged USA government watchdogs that would be put in place.
With all this being said yes I still presently gamble online. Thanks to some lucky online poker wins Im still up a few dollars. In my older years I treat online gambling like a needed medication to keep me from returning to my old ways. I was a live casino high roller for decades. But as the older years crept up on me, you suddenly realize you need to keep a tighter hold on what you do have. I except my losses playing online the last couple of years, and will admit I had lots of fun also. Maybe its a sad thing I treat my recent losses as fun, but also respect what I do now, knowing what Im capable of.
So for the old reformed veteran gambler like myself, online gambling even in its present form does help with keeping me reformed.
But for many of you online gamblers I read about here, maybe you should consider giving the real world of gambling a serious go of it before you decide to quit. There is much more offered out there then in cyberspace.
Online gambling in its present form leaves a lot to be desired for the majority. I would compare online gambling today similar to riding a Bobsled down a mountain and before you could come to a safe stop at the bottom you have to cross a four lane major highway at 80 mph with no brakes.
Taking all of the past complaining threads (and many more new ones are coming) into consideration, I think online players should this year take into serious consideration what they are willing to actually donate to online gaming.
I also think its time for online players to really understand what it is youre up against when risking your money in cyberspace. (At least in my view) Mavin1 has an active thread running named Exterminating of the low-roller which I found very interesting, and reveals many of the current concerns for many online players, and prompted me to create this thread. Although its an interesting topic its a true sign of online players not understanding where they really stand when in cyberspace.
Online casino owners for the most part had to be high risking gamblers from the get go to even get involved in such a risky unknown future. Even though some now trade publicly on the London Exchange, no one could of known for sure which road it may have taken from the beginning only several years ago. We all know where it stands today, but the early investors didnt know, which in turn should tell you about their personalities a bit. This type of risk taker explains why today the amount of rogues that are still operating and stealing from us with no fear of any law. It also explains why most of the online casinos operate the way they do simply because they can.
I guess after years of running online casinos like Gestapos they must realize the new player pit is bottomless, or its just being treated like all good things must come to an end. In addition one of the new concerns on this forum is that online casinos are now showing less concern about the low-rollers. For the long term it would be senseless for online casinos to blow off the low-roller, but who said they are in fact here for the long term.
The big B&M casino properties bring in low rollers by the bus loads after bus loads all week from Monday to Thursday. This no doubt is one of the ways land casinos keep the backbone of their business straight. These players many of whom are retired have a great time and most of them are truly the ones that gamble for entertainment. They earn comps that could be exchanged for many of the additional endless offerings offered at land casinos other then gambling. There comps could also earn them cold cash refunds to do with what they please with it, with no bullshit play through requirement. At the end of the day they could just cash in their comps earned for cash and take it home with them. They get free buffets along with many other free offerings and are treated and respected like the important part of the business they actually are.
From Monday to Thursday these types of players are treated (in their world) to a degree like high rollers. The casinos realize they also are grooming many players to become loyal players, and many will become weekend warriors in the future willing to risk even more. Many of the players loading into buses during the week or visit the casinos are not just retired players. Many are rookies just getting their feet wet and if treated right could in the future become high roller customers for the casino. These casinos do their best trying to keep their present customers from experiencing other ones knowing that many gamblers are creatures of habit. Other casinos may offer better deals then theirs, but a happy customer is usually a permanent one. To this day I am still a loyal customer to the Taj in AC. Even if I'm going to Bogata for a poker tournament I'm staying at the Taj.
Although the weekend degenerates usually make or break the land casinos, the weekday crowd plays an integral part of the business.
I think online casinos could never offer up what we all consider to be fair. First of all regardless how good a reputation some might have, just being online in cyberspace will always cast a great doubt of integrity and honesty. With the endless amount of complaints we read about here, can you imagine the amount of complaints throughout the whole web combined.
Think of all the scandals we know to be confirmed fact involving online gaming. Could you imagine if we knew everything? There are endless people out there trying to deceive us personally online, don't think there aren't people out there trying to outsmart casinos. These guys could hack into the CIA for crying out loud. Dont try to tell me that software programmers and casino workers and or owners wouldnt stick it in our butts if they felt they could get away with it, while hiding under the cover of cyberspace, with no fear of any law to speak of.
It has become obvious that jail time for stealing millions from players involving online gambling in the past is not any concern for the crook. If you really believe that online gaming is straight up with the rules that are in place now, and dont believe that a programmer or owner (not all of course) are not already stealing from us in one form or another, then I have a time machine you could make a bid on and Ill throw in a bridge that comes with a toll you could collect and keep. If the poker scandal idiots werent so greedy they too would also still be having their way with us suckers.
Of course B&M's are not oblivious to scandal. Who could forget Ron Harris the computer programmer who rigged slots at both Las Vegas, and Atlantic City. But these incidents when uncovered were brought out into the open followed up with jail time. Online casinos fear nothing.
Because of everything I mentioned already in this post, along with much more, the online casino world will never in it's present form be trusted.
I also believe although many online casinos owners might have bought into it with decades of longevity in mind, many more of them bought into it with the idea as long as we get our investment back, we'll just ride the wave for as long as it lasts. Although online gambling became legal in some countries, most owners were risking big bucks entering an unknown future and unclear legal ramifications, that eventually came about in the USA market.
At least for the majority of USA players, I think there will never be a real trust until the named big land based brands are involved online along with the alleged USA government watchdogs that would be put in place.
With all this being said yes I still presently gamble online. Thanks to some lucky online poker wins Im still up a few dollars. In my older years I treat online gambling like a needed medication to keep me from returning to my old ways. I was a live casino high roller for decades. But as the older years crept up on me, you suddenly realize you need to keep a tighter hold on what you do have. I except my losses playing online the last couple of years, and will admit I had lots of fun also. Maybe its a sad thing I treat my recent losses as fun, but also respect what I do now, knowing what Im capable of.
So for the old reformed veteran gambler like myself, online gambling even in its present form does help with keeping me reformed.
But for many of you online gamblers I read about here, maybe you should consider giving the real world of gambling a serious go of it before you decide to quit. There is much more offered out there then in cyberspace.
...thats what I meant when I said I will try to behave and not get so rambunctious like this --->... :yahoo:
layers make the decisions on what games to play, where to play, how much to bet, and where they will continue to play.
