i know variance, but this really got me

[Takkaone]

Wow, jasminebed! Very good post...

I dont even know, what to qoute, because i read your whole post while thinking, "yeah, obviously thats right..."

after rereading my post, and thinking about it with some hours after my gambling session, it is all nothing dramatic.
50 bucks for some hours of entertainment, and a cause to start posting here, sounds quiet cheap. ;-)

it´s most likely a personality-thing. i get really deep into what i do, WHEN i do something, or into situations. for me the good things are always super-good and the bad things are always the worst thing ever.. but with like half an hour taking a deep breath, everything is call again

exactly what i wrote in my op, is probably what i, and a lot of gamblers love so much at gambling. the intense ups and downs in a short period of time. and that is, why the casinos build those high-variance machines. because that´s, what we really want...


and as you mentioned poker and tilt: it´s way easier for me, to win and loose big sums at a slot in a few hours... like you said, i deposited only 50 dollars and did no work, to build it up. i find it way harder, to grind out a pokerroll over weeks, and then having a drunken night, or go on monkeytilt, and drop it all over the course of some hours, because i don´t only loose money, but also hard work....

so, what is the essence of this thread for me: i should not get so emo or worked up about winnings and losses! but on the other hand, that "emotional rollercoaster", is why i sat at the computer gambling, and not watching tv....

[nisosbar]

And, equally important, how do you get yourself up from the computer with nice winnings withdrawn, instead of playing till the account is empty??

Playing for that last hit is always a temptation. Basically I quit if I double my money, and cash out. Boring, perhaps, but over time, it adds up big time.

[bernynhel]

If those of us who say,"its easy, hit the cash out button", actually hit the cashout button every time we promised ourselves we would before we started, or if everyone followed their logic, doing what we know we have to do, we wouldn't be having this discussion because there wouldn't be any casinos left as we would have cleaned them all out.

Sure, manage your bankroll, cash out several times as you go, the slot you started playing's a dog, move on - everyone here has heard it over and over. But if gambling were only based on logic, would we even bother playing? Hell no! Luckily, for the casinos, it's all based on emotion and biological, producing jazz juice in your brain when you're winning that you crave like dope. That's the war you're really waging and it's against yourself and if you can't hold your own and win a few more battles than you lose, then you don't get to apply any logic and you just have to settle being satisfied with the "playtime".

[KasinoKing]

@kasinoking: those numbers, where can i get them from? would be a nice help, to choose the right slot...

Like Jasmine said, I have figures for some MG slots on my site here:-
Playing-Slots-and-winning-for-5-years-but-I-can't-call-it-Beating-them.com

I do also have figures for Supe it Up (same for Isis by the way) and a few other slots which aren't on that page; each one takes many hours to analise and get all the data up on the site, and I haven't done any new ones for about a year due to a total lack of interest from the playing community as a whole.

KK

[skiny]

Well, if we're talking about Microgaming slots the outcome seems inevitable. In the few years I’ve been gambling online I’ve managed quite a few nice little withdrawals from RTG and a couple of RJs. I’ve had a few withdrawals from 3Dice of varying size. I’ve never made a withdrawal from any Microgaming casino. I started gambling online with Microgaming. That was all I played for the first year and at that point I was pretty much convinced that it was impossible to really win anything. It wasn’t until I started playing RTG I realized cashing out was a possibility.

Now I make small deposits. I usually deposit anywhere from 50 dollars down to the minimum allowed. I’ll cash out with 4 or 5 times my deposit. I don’t think taking 25 dollars up to 100 dollars should be asking too much. It happens on a regular basis with RTG and several times with 3Dice. It doesn’t happen with Microgaming. I’ve tried all the slot games a thousand times over. I don’t get stuck on a game that’s not paying. I move around a lot. But this is what happens every single time I play Microgaming. I deposit lets say 30 dollars. I play 1 or 2 coins and if I’m lucky I hit a bonus feature or two and maybe jack it up to 50 or 60 dollars. That’s the end of the bonus features. It doesn’t matter what game I play or how long I play it. I can play 50 spins on 20 games or 2000 spins on one game. The bonus features no longer exist and without the bonus features in these games I just go broke.

Since I started playing solely Microgaming and switched to RTG and 3Dice later on, I’ve played at least 3 times as many sessions with Microgaming than I have with RTG in the last few years and this is the pattern every single session follows and this is why if I want to play and at least feel like cashing out is possible I play RTG or 3Dice.

The bonus features tend to dry up with RTG and 3Dice too but not 100% of the sessions. When I play Microgaming it’s guaranteed the bonus features will just disappear and I’ve watched as much as 70 dollars dwindle down to nothing on 1 coin spins for that reason.

I’m sure the RNG is checked but I don’t buy this constant statement that the games are fair just because the RNG is checked. Random does not equal fair. Which leaves the second most popular statement. I have bad luck. About 3 years of the same bad luck only with this software and different luck using other software.

I could make all kinds of accusations but I won’t bother. Suffice it to say with Microgaming you’re only going to get a few bonus features at the start and if you get anymore than that you’re playing on borrowed time. The bonus features are leaving and they’re not coming back until you make another deposit.

It’s like sitting on the mechanical horse in front of the grocery store. It’s great fun until your quarter runs out and you’re welcome to sit on it waving your arms all day but you’re not really going to enjoy it until someone comes along and puts another quarter in.

[bernynhel]

...I’ve never made a withdrawal from any Microgaming casino. I started gambling online with Microgaming. That was all I played for the first year and at that point I was pretty much convinced that it was impossible to really win anything. It wasn’t until I started playing RTG I realized cashing out was a possibility...I’ve tried all the slot games a thousand times over. I don’t get stuck on a game that’s not paying. I move around a lot. But this is what happens every single time I play Microgaming. I deposit lets say 30 dollars. I play 1 or 2 coins and if I’m lucky I hit a bonus feature or two and maybe jack it up to 50 or 60 dollars. That’s the end of the bonus features. It doesn’t matter what game I play or how long I play it...

My experience has been the exact opposite.

We only differ in that I started playing at Microgaming, RTG, Vegas Technology, Playtech, CryptoLogic and G-Fed Casinos, plus several sites running proprietary software, all at the same time not quite 7 years ago (DAMN I miss PlayTech!). In all that time I have made withdrawals from RTG casinos only about a half a dozen times versus nearly 100 cash outs from MG casinos, including just under $18.5k - http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...-post9274.html - from UKCasino Club when it was still operated by the now defunct Casino Action Group, prior to its acquisition by Casino Rewards. And that win from a first time deposit of $80 which I had intended to supplement with a 1st-Time-Deposit-Bonus but managed to cancel before it was credited (after increasing my balance to around $3,000) within the first 15 or 20 minutes of depositing.

More recently, the following since 11/20/09:

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...post17162.html, http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...post17161.html,
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...post17159.html,
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...post17158.html,
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...post17118.html.

My "GoTo" MG Games/Plan of Attack, usuallly with deposits ranging from $37.11 - $77.77 sometimes supplemented with a weekly deposit match offer from a couple of groups I frequent, sometimes not and in order of usual play: Ho Ho Ho, Isis, Glory of Rome, Days of Tsar, Tally Ho, Jacks or Better VP then, if I have doubled my deposit on the previous group: (in no particular order) Deck the Halls, Cashapillar, Cashanova, Cashville, Mayan Princess, Fat Lady Sings, Loaded, Reel Thunder, Break da Bank Again, various 3 reelers and assorted single hand VP. Of course I experement with slots I have never played, but not much, unless I see "Winner Screenshots" that inspire me.

I have no idea as to WTF I've been doing wrong at RTG all this time but I just seem to have never gotten my groove on there. And for the last year anna half at least I've stuck to the top "Winner Screenshots" RTG sites and slots. Though, from lack of previous success, only a couple of times a month.

Like Jasmine said, I have figures for some MG slots on my site here:-
Playing-Slots-and-winning-for-5-years-but-I-can't-call-it-Beating-them.com...and I haven't done any new ones for about a year due to a total lack of interest from the playing community as a whole. ...KK

Well I'm extremely interested but since I only just joined CM in Jan, '07, I didn't know about it 'til I saw your post, below (or, above, depending). The one I'm quoting in this post. Now.

I wish I had known about your site before I flushed about $20 of my bankroll down the toilet aka the Microgaming slot, Mark of Medusa, which I just got around to playing, for the first time, only yesterday. Knowing what I know, now, and, after seeing my opinion loosely echoed on your site, and I quote, "Sorry, but this is CRAP!", (why are you sorry? lol) the coincidental theme of our separate analogies doesn't seem so remarkable.

(By the way...What a monumental undertaking! Man O man! What a chore I bet that had to have been just to get the point you went on hiatus!! KUDOS!!!! And... Is it just me, or, other than the link you posted for your MG slot data, is there no access for U.S. Players to the grayed out MG Link on your homepage? It's labeled "work in progress just". I added the page as a seperate addition to my Favorites, but just curious)

[KasinoKing]

And... Is it just me, or, other than the link you posted for your MG slot data, is there no access for U.S. Players to the grayed out MG Link on your homepage? It's labeled "work in progress just". I added the page as a seperate addition to my Favorites, but just curious)

No, it's not just you. The link is gray for everyone!
I set it up like that when I first started compiling the page, just to indicate that it was far from complete... and it still is. (Hard to get motivated to spend grueling hours over it when the site hardly gets any visitors ).
The link does work however!

KK

[skiny]

My experience has been the exact opposite.

My experience never changes. Two more deposits at Aspinalls both exactly the same as I described. Actually the second deposit of 20 bucks dropped to zero at minimum bet without a single bonus feature. Still running on from the last deposit making it close to 70 dollars straight at one and two coins per spin on 20 and 25 line games with no free spins.

And it makes no difference which casino I play at. If I play Microgaming this is what I get.

Microgaming is like a can of beans. No matter how many different labels you put on it when you peel the label off and look inside it's still just the same can of beans.

[bernynhel]

No, it's not just you. The link is gray for everyone!..I set it up like that when I first started compiling the page, just to indicate that it was far from complete... and it still is. (Hard to get motivated to spend grueling hours over it when the site hardly gets any visitors ).
The link does work however!..KK

LOL! It never occurred to me to click on a gray link, thanks!

Couldn't you just write a program for a bot that could log into a casino and automatically analyze each slot and arrange the data collected into your predetermined array of tables? Seems like that woulda been the way to go.

My experience never changes. Two more deposits at Aspinalls both exactly the same as I described. Actually the second deposit of 20 bucks dropped to zero at minimum bet without a single bonus feature. Still running on from the last deposit making it close to 70 dollars straight at one and two coins per spin on 20 and 25 line games with no free spins.

And it makes no difference which casino I play at. If I play Microgaming this is what I get.

Microgaming is like a can of beans. No matter how many different labels you put on it when you peel the label off and look inside it's still just the same can of beans.

Bummer. And you tried the "game plan" I laid out? I've never divulged that to anyone! That was for your eyes only, buddy! And "Aspinalls" sounds like a nasty tasting medicine. Or a suppository? (I wouldn't know what one a those tastes like).

This from early this AM: http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...post17294.html

[skiny]

Bummer. And you tried the "game plan" I laid out? I've never divulged that to anyone! That was for your eyes only, buddy! And "Aspinalls" sounds like a nasty tasting medicine. Or a suppository? (I wouldn't know what one a those tastes like).

You know the reason they call them suppositories is because the first time the doctor prescribes them you say "I'm supposed to put it where!!??"