Buzzluck Casino Randoms

[silcnlayc]

I think a lot of people feel they have a better chance of winning one of a number of smaller jackpots than one of only a few huge ones.

That used to be the case until the casinos tightened up and made them grow so big it took a ton of money to try and hit one...

I prefer more smaller hits for the average joe..these huge ones are a come on to the average player. Randoms have become ridicoulous...in the size they must get to before they "pop".

Look at it this way, if two shops offer the same product but one of the shops is half the price and the other shop you get treated like a king sure some will go for the service but the vast majority will go to the cheaper shop if the product is the same and the shop is still reputable.

If two identical slots stand next to each other in a casino one has a 2k JP and the other 12k JP for the same price which would you play? This is the choice online.

Lets put it another way...say two stores have a nice gift with the value of $2000 and it costs you $200 at one store whereas it costs $3000 at another store, where would you shop? Bigger is NOT always better...

I will take the smaller ones anyday over the huge ones because the big ones are one shot deals and you have invested huge sums only to be disappointed..whereas if they were smaller and more numerous going off more times...your stake is only a pittance compared to the one "that got away".

I will take the Rapid Fire Jackpots at Inter anyday compared to the ones RTG offers..there is something "off" on them IMO...for the Randoms to go off anywhere between $1000-$3000 for years and then you get them now at over $5000+ is a little too much in my book..smells..period..I used to love seeing those screenies for $1300 Randoms, 2200 etc etc..now you don't see many except when the CASINO posts them for the winner..which I find odd again...

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[BMWSTACK]

i like the randoms hitting more frequent at smaller amounts...ive never hit a random but ive been trying on Rushmore and they have some big ones....i cant even imagine how many months they have taken to grow....i want the odds in my favor and when they grow big the odds are against you...actually it would be genius for some RTG casino to guarantee by the Random by a certain amount,,,say like $3,000.00....

[DogBoy001]

I will take the smaller ones anyday over the huge ones because the big ones are one shot deals and you have invested huge sums only to be disappointed..whereas if they were smaller and more numerous going off more times...

Heya,

New games being deployed now have minor and major jackpots, the minor having far lower reset value than the current random jackpots, for this very reason.
Indeed Silcnlayc, your comments in the past on this same issue definitely contributed to a shift to a 2-level random jackpot system.
There can still be large, grouped, randoms, if the operator desires, but at least on current deployment and future games there will be the smaller and more attainable minor randoms ($250 USD resets in most cases).

Woooof

[vinylweatherman]

That used to be the case until the casinos tightened up and made them grow so big it took a ton of money to try and hit one...

I prefer more smaller hits for the average joe..these huge ones are a come on to the average player. Randoms have become ridicoulous...in the size they must get to before they "pop".

Lets put it another way...say two stores have a nice gift with the value of $2000 and it costs you $200 at one store whereas it costs $3000 at another store, where would you shop? Bigger is NOT always better...

I will take the smaller ones anyday over the huge ones because the big ones are one shot deals and you have invested huge sums only to be disappointed..whereas if they were smaller and more numerous going off more times...your stake is only a pittance compared to the one "that got away".

I will take the Rapid Fire Jackpots at Inter anyday compared to the ones RTG offers..there is something "off" on them IMO...for the Randoms to go off anywhere between $1000-$3000 for years and then you get them now at over $5000+ is a little too much in my book..smells..period..I used to love seeing those screenies for $1300 Randoms, 2200 etc etc..now you don't see many except when the CASINO posts them for the winner..which I find odd again...

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It depends,

What if the store that only charged $200 stopped you at the door, and told you that you could only leave with HALF of the product, but the other store, whilst charging $300, let you walk out with ALL of it.

THIS is a peculiarity with RTG, many have these max cashout rules, meaning that the size of the RJ is over the max cashout amount in any case, and winning a larger one only means a larger amount gets confiscated, leaving you with the SAME amount in your withdrawal, whether the RJ was large or small. Consistently smaller RJs are also easier to hit, because they must have a greater chance of hitting per $ spent in order to be so small.

Pooling the RJs may APPEAR to benefit only the player, but this actually makes it MORE likely that MORE of the paid value gets confiscated through max cashout rules, so they HIT at bigger values, but the casino pays out LESS in total on them.

There is also something rather odd going on with RTG pooled RJs, they SHOULDN'T be bigger, since a $ wagered on a single game should have the SAME chance as a $ wagered on 10 games in 10c chunks. Therefore, the pooled RJs should be hitting at the SAME average values, but more often, because MORE money goes through a group of pooled slots in a given time.

To get pooled RJs CONSISTENTLY larger, the chance of hitting per $ wagered on any of the pooled games must be LESS than the chance of hitting per $ wagered on the RJ of a non-pooled game.

[silcnlayc]

vinylweatherman:There is also something rather odd going on with RTG pooled RJs

My thoughts exactly. Something is stinky! It seems many are being hit by bonus users that get a pittance of it...where does the rest go? Then you have those that are huge at a casino that never went over 5-6000...now they are in the teen thousands...why? what has made them grow so big???

DogBoy001:Indeed Silcnlayc, your comments in the past on this same issue definitely contributed to a shift to a 2-level random jackpot system.

Thank you DogBoy001, for the mention...maybe they will get better at the jackpots similar like Intercasinos. I at least hit quite a few Quick Fire Jackpots there...THAT is called random! Not these, that the only ones that will win are those playing on a bonus, or a newbie (where did they come from?) or someone with a betting pattern the casino likes...like reinvesting most back as I have read many do after hitting the first..and the second and third...ad nauseum...they will hit them more FREQUENTLY IMO..

I guess because they know I like my cashout button I will probably die trying (maybe) ...


Don't get me wrong...they have some really great games but they are going about it the wrong way in keeping players happy and content in losing their money...Bigger jackpots are not it...more hits , more frequently ...has been very effective before, but I think they lost their way...

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[BubbleG]

I like the idea of small more frequent hits but this doesn't seem to be the case as we would see many more smaller RJ screenshots

Playing on one accredited RTG the other day with pooled JP's and based on the speed the random was growing at the time i estimate they could grow as much as $300 to $500 a day. This would suggest to me that the JP's go quite regularly, whereas some of the big JP's on other RTG's have been growing for months and months. I've also noticed that when the JP isn't growing and i'm spinning at $1 a spin it may only rise by 1c every few spins.

I think it was made clear on Crypto software (rapid fires, marvel etc) and also on MG mega moolah that the higher the bet the higher your chance is of hitting one of the random JP's. Whats never been made clear perhaps Ianbuzz could clear this up, is the way RTG casinos fund the randoms. Is it a % of bet size, is it a fixed fee, can it be won on any bet or do max lines have to be played, does every bet size have the same chance of hitting a random or is it the case of bigger the bet better the odds?

[DogBoy001]

Whats never been made clear perhaps Ianbuzz could clear this up, is the way RTG casinos fund the randoms. Is it a % of bet size, is it a fixed fee, can it be won on any bet or do max lines have to be played, does every bet size have the same chance of hitting a random or is it the case of bigger the bet better the odds?

Heya,

Actually this has been spelt out in several threads to date

The random jackpots are simply another prize that, as with any prize, has a certain probability of hitting. Unlike other prizes, which are derived by running win evaluations of pay lines and scatters after the completion of a random 5-stop spin, the randoms do not require a symbol combination in order to be won.
Also unlike other prizes, the randoms accrue, however one is still able to calculate an average prize value, and therefore total jackpot RTP. The seed value therefore functions as per any other prize in the game, rather than being distinctly funded.
At the completion of a given paid spin (i.e.: Not in a free game), there is a chance that the player will win the random.

The increment sent to the jackpot meter per spin (thus increasing the prize beyond the reset) is a fixed percentage of the total bet.

The jackpot can be won on any bet, however the chance to win proportionately increases or decreases based on the total bet.
e.g.: The chance may be 1 in 100,000 based on a $1 total bet, or 1 in 10,000,000 on a 1c total bet, or 1 in 10,000 on a $10 bet (example numbers only for ease of illustration)

There is no max line requirement, it's purely about the total bet placed.

Hope it helps.

Woooof

[vinylweatherman]

Heya,

Actually this has been spelt out in several threads to date

The random jackpots are simply another prize that, as with any prize, has a certain probability of hitting. Unlike other prizes, which are derived by running win evaluations of pay lines and scatters after the completion of a random 5-stop spin, the randoms do not require a symbol combination in order to be won.
Also unlike other prizes, the randoms accrue, however one is still able to calculate an average prize value, and therefore total jackpot RTP. The seed value therefore functions as per any other prize in the game, rather than being distinctly funded.
At the completion of a given paid spin (i.e.: Not in a free game), there is a chance that the player will win the random.

The increment sent to the jackpot meter per spin (thus increasing the prize beyond the reset) is a fixed percentage of the total bet.

The jackpot can be won on any bet, however the chance to win proportionately increases or decreases based on the total bet.
e.g.: The chance may be 1 in 100,000 based on a $1 total bet, or 1 in 10,000,000 on a 1c total bet, or 1 in 10,000 on a $10 bet (example numbers only for ease of illustration)

There is no max line requirement, it's purely about the total bet placed.

Hope it helps.

Woooof

This doesn't explain why grouped RJs get so much higher before hitting.

Using your examples of a 1 in 10,000 chance per $10 bet, it shoud STILL be this 1 in 10,000 however many slots are in the group. So, for every $10 wagered across the group of slots, there is still the same chance of hitting per $10 wagered as there would be if each slot had it's own RJ. This would mean that the AVERAGE value at which the RJ was hit would be the same, however many slots were combined into a group.
The ONLY thing that should raise this average is an increased seed. The usual seed is $1000, but Rushmore revealed earlier that they were seeding their RJs at $5000. This is $4000 higher, so their RJs should be hitting on average at $4000 higher than RTG casinos using a $1000 seed.

This is clearly NOT happening at some RTG casinos, the RJs are not merely starting with a higher seed, but are hitting FAR higher on average than can be explained by the enhanced starting seed.

RJs rarely used to exceed $10,000 yet now they are regularly getting into the tens of thousands of dollars. If the chance of hitting per $ wagered is the same as before, this shouldn't be happening.

It is as though it USED to be 1 in 10,000 per $10 wagered, but is now 1 in 100,000 per $10 wagered.
The other explanation is that far more of each bet is being fed into the RJ, but this has been denied in an earlier reply.

[DogBoy001]

This doesn't explain why grouped RJs get so much higher before hitting.

If the chance of hitting per $ wagered is the same as before, this shouldn't be happening

Heya,

I don't think anyone's disputing that a jackpot that has a higher (reset and average) value and consumes the same RTP must have a decreased trigger probability.
Since random RTP is stipulated in the pay tables as being <1.5%, and reset is higher, it's no secret that trigger rate must be lower.

There's a place for both types of randoms, smaller ones that trigger more often and larger ones that trigger less frequently...but when they do trigger it's a much bigger impact on the player's life.

Woooof