Opinions Wanted

[zebedy]

Firstly could you check out the following link,

http://www.evilcasinoaffiliates.hostzi.com

I had this idea yeaterday about getting the links to as many alliliates sites that promote rogue casino's and putting them all here,

1/does anyone think it would do any good or will it be just pointless.
2/buy putting affiliates links on this site would it just be promoting them instead of trying to make them see the error of there ways

The idea i had was to get about 20 or so like minded people that hate to see rogue casino's promoted to help put the links on the site,
they would have the login details of the site so if they come across a website that is EVIL they could just post the links.


good idea? bad idea ?complete waste of time and energy?

[hippo925]

link goes to a "website under review" page, but i think it's a great idea and very commendable. anything to help people who are just starting to play online is a great idea. since so many people know how to "google" now, every bit of information out there is of benefit to new players especially if it points them in the right direction (or away from the wrong direction).

[4 of a kind]

Personally your idea is going to end up in the Rogue Pit. I would assume you just posted your thought without much thought.

Eventually if this idea were to take off, every person with an ax to grind could get a site listed to whatever it is that link you sent us too.
Surprised the USA didn't think of this. Allot cheaper way to put an end to online gambling.

[swampwitch]

Eventually if this idea were to take off, every person with an ax to grind could get a site listed to whatever it is that link you sent us too.

True dat.

IMHO, the only way for the site to work properly is with content monitoring. Someone finds a bad guy's site, sends a link to you, you check it out, you post it. You could have a comment function for people to give opinions on the place...and possibly the offending affiliate can defend his/herself.

Then there's the question of who decides what's rogue. What's the criteria for roguedom? Most of us would agree that anything "Virtual" or from the Gambling Wages stable are so rogue they squeak...yet some of the most, ahem, "respected" affiliates in the industry would promote them to their own mothers. You'd have to be prepared for some serious backlash.

Whatever you decide to do, I wish you the best. The Sucks board has been listing bad webmasters for quite some time, so I'm sure my fellow "crew"members and I would be happy to give you a few names.

[jetset]

I think Swampwitch has hit on most of the problem points here, assuming that the genuine desire would be that such a section were to be objective and fair.

And it is definitely a possibility that there would be some "with an axe to grind" who would seek to manipulate the concept if it were not carefully and consistently supervised.

The starting point would have to be a clear definition of what constitutes a rogue affiliate; a rogue operation that such an affiliate may be promoting and whether he or she is aware that the operation/s they are promoting are rogue.

And whether the affiliate has been given an opportunity to state their case and address their shortcomings.

Otherwise it starts to look like the Spanish Inquisition.

Either way, it looks like a helluva lot of work for someone.

[zebedy]

Personally your idea is going to end up in the Rogue Pit. I would assume you just posted your thought without much thought.

im glad someone noticed
you can probably tell by the website it was thought up pretty quickly and put out there in about 30 minutes, basically it was just to show people what could be done, as some cant visualise thing until they see it
i was going to add more but im only on chapter 2 of html and css for dummies
thats why i asked for opinions and didnt post any links to aff sites,
of course there would have to be some rules in place to stop anyone posting to there own agenda,

True dat.

Then there's the question of who decides what's rogue. What's the criteria for roguedom? Most of us would agree that anything "Virtual" or from the Gambling Wages stable are so rogue they squeak...yet some of the most, ahem, "respected" affiliates in the industry would promote them to their own mothers. You'd have to be prepared for some serious backlash.

like you said anything from the virtual group, if any affiliate is promoting virtual,cool cat,cirrus,ect, i doubt very much if they didnt know anything about them, the list would be very short,probably 10-20 or so casino;s i bet most of you probably could name them all, i just listed those sites because thats where i hear the most problems comming from, i mean someone like grand prive casino's couldnt be listed there even though they shafted all of there affiliates ive never heard of them shafting players, even though it seems most affiliates have stopped promoting them anyway.
as for the backlash , i expect most of the people doing the backlash were people promoting rogues, if i was scared of being insulted or intimidated by these people making any of these threats i probably wouldnt ever go on the internet or message boards again, water off a ducks back,

I think Swampwitch has hit on most of the problem points here, assuming that the genuine desire would be that such a section were to be objective and fair.
And it is definitely a possibility that there would be some "with an axe to grind" who would seek to manipulate the concept if it were not carefully and consistently supervised.

i would hope that there would be enought people out there that willing to post with enough honesty and integrity to keep it going in the spirit it was meant, i am pretty sure im not the only person who feels this way about affiliates getting away with promoting rogues,
if you get one bad apple in a bunch of 20 im sure the other posters wouldnt stand for it, so they wouldnt be around long enough to start there own agenda,

Instead of a webpage maybe it could be in the form of a forum that is moderated ?,

i did post awhile back here at CM about having a section about evil affiliates, but i could now that see it probaly wouldnt be a good idea as the person doing it would be under attack left right and center from disgruntled affiliates, and i expect they could do alot of damage to someone trying to make a living from having this sort of forum, so they would probably have to have no ties to the online gaming world,

Either way, it looks like a helluva lot of work for someone.

personally i wouldnt have the time to do it all or give it the proper commitment it would need, thats where the idea of having around 10-20 people involved. 20 people giving 30 minutes a week = 10 hours, a task shared is a task halved,i think thats how the saying goes?

it was just an idea, something needs to be done but i doubt it will be, affiliates will still be promoting rogues and keeping them in business in 10 years time,
if anyone has the time and commitment to undertake it , the idea's out there,

[spiderlegz]

True dat.

IMHO, the only way for the site to work properly is with content monitoring. Someone finds a bad guy's site, sends a link to you, you check it out, you post it. You could have a comment function for people to give opinions on the place...and possibly the offending affiliate can defend his/herself.

Then there's the question of who decides what's rogue. What's the criteria for roguedom? Most of us would agree that anything "Virtual" or from the Gambling Wages stable are so rogue they squeak...yet some of the most, ahem, "respected" affiliates in the industry would promote them to their own mothers. You'd have to be prepared for some serious backlash.

Whatever you decide to do, I wish you the best. The Sucks board has been listing bad webmasters for quite some time, so I'm sure my fellow "crew"members and I would be happy to give you a few names.

A bit ironic as the Sucks promotes "stellar" casinos like Golden Casino and Gold VIP Club and some other dodgy casinos. Are they listed?

[swampwitch]

I don't own, nor do I have any financial interest in the Sucks portal. I'm a member of the forum.
Good eye, though. I'll see what I can find out.

[zebedy]

I don't own, nor do I have any financial interest in the Sucks portal. I'm a member of the forum.
Good eye, though. I'll see what I can find out.

do you have a link swampwitch ?
only ive never heard of the place

[swampwitch]

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