Opinions Wanted

[Webzcas]

Either way, it looks like a helluva lot of work for someone.

A good idea in priniciple, but JetSet has hit the nail on the head. It is hard enough keeping up with all the casinos operating online, let alone the numerious portals promoting them.

That said I have in the past added portals to my blacklist pages. But these were as a direct result of them copying content from my own sites - I also did blacklist CAP - but I wouldn't consider that a portal.

In short, it is a lot of hard work for little or no return.

I think the best way to help try and police affiliates, is by outing them and their bad practices on sites such as CasinoMeister, GPWA and other popular gambling communities where you know there is a large webmaster presence.

Whilst there are countless number of portals, affiliates by and large are a smallish group and word of mouth gets around very quickly by using the current mediums available to you.

Regardless, if you do decide to go ahead and continue with the site, best of luck

[KasinoKing]

Originally Posted by Webzcas

AI think the best way to help try and police affiliates, is by outing them and their bad practices on sites such as CasinoMeister, GPWA and other popular gambling communities where you know there is a large webmaster presence.

As a slight aside, how do you feel about GPWA allowing EuroPartners to become a sponsor?
I know they're not one of your favorites!
http://www.onlinecasinoreviewer.com/...ted-calls.html

KK

[RobWin]

Originally Posted by KasinoKing

As a slight aside, how do you feel about GPWA allowing EuroPartners to become a sponsor?
I know they're not one of your favorites!
http://www.onlinecasinoreviewer.com/...ted-calls.html

KK

LOL...I remember that thread, they won't leave Webzcas alone and stop calling him.

Webzcas, did they ever stop calling you by the way?
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[zebedy]

Originally Posted by Webzcas

A good idea in priniciple, but JetSet has hit the nail on the head. It is hard enough keeping up with all the casinos operating online, let alone the numerious portals promoting them.

That said I have in the past added portals to my blacklist pages. But these were as a direct result of them copying content from my own sites - I also did blacklist CAP - but I wouldn't consider that a portal.

In short, it is a lot of hard work for little or no return.

I think the best way to help try and police affiliates, is by outing them and their bad practices on sites such as CasinoMeister, GPWA and other popular gambling communities where you know there is a large webmaster presence.

Whilst there are countless number of portals, affiliates by and large are a smallish group and word of mouth gets around very quickly by using the current mediums available to you.

Regardless, if you do decide to go ahead and continue with the site, best of luck

i did try that once over at GPWA but i was blasted down by a mod and branded a trouble maker although several people agreed with what i said very few people actually spoke up, ever since then my opinion of that site went way down,

what gets me is these affiliates soon bitch and moan when some affiliate programmes changes there terms to rectroactive, and tries to take some money out of the affiliates pocket, but when you go to there website they have no quabbles about promoting and sending a player to a rogue casino,

dam im starting to think i must be related to mary whitehouse,

[mrracetrack]

I just now became aware of this thread... and I feel I can offer some input on this topic... as I was the one that started the thread that Swampwitch referred to on Sucks... WEBMASTER "HALL OF SHAME"... two years ago.

I decided back in 2007 to "name & shame" webmasters that promoted "rogue" casinos... primarily the "Virtual Group" (and Gambling Wages) along with a few other "known rogues" including the casinos that are "rogued" here on Casinomeister.

A few webmasters replied... claiming to be unaware of the "rogue" label placed on some of the casinos they were promoting... and did indeed remove them from their websites. This was duly noted in follow up posts on that thread.

Most (95%) of the "shamed webmasters" never bothered to reply or respond.

The thread remained quite active for about 4-5 months... and like many topics... started to have only sporadic posts added every few months or so.

Posted by spiderlegz:

A bit ironic as the Sucks promotes "stellar" casinos like Golden Casino and Gold VIP Club and some other dodgy casinos. Are they listed?

I am not the webmaster on Sucks... just the moderator. I'm sure you will find some "questionable" casinos on many websites. I will ask the webmaster of Sucks to post here and address your concerns about those casinos you listed. I do know the site hasn't been updated for awhile... as the webmaster has been very busy with non gambling related issues for the past 9 months.

I'll try to get him here to respond.

I also feel that Zebedy should be applauded for his attempt at "naming & shaming" websites and webmasters that promote rogue casinos.

Not surprising that you were "blasted" on the GPWA forum...
A large percentage of webmasters both on GPWA & CAP do indeed still promote Virtual & Gambling Wages casinos... and we all know why... $$$$$$$$$...

A BIG to you, Zebedy for trying to exhibit some morals and ethics in an industry highly contaminated by greedy, money hungry, morally bankrupt people.

[felicie]

It's interesting (to me) that had I not run into all those wicked freebies, and slimey offers (I just thought all casinos were slimish), I probably would have never gotten into gambling online. And there is still a lot of people out there who just want to play free chips and don't seem to be looking for the most ethical place to play. What is wrong with listing them under Play at your own risk or untrustworthy. You know the old lead a horse to water........but Thank you

[Webzcas]

Originally Posted by KasinoKing

As a slight aside, how do you feel about GPWA allowing EuroPartners to become a sponsor?
I know they're not one of your favorites!
http://www.onlinecasinoreviewer.com/...ted-calls.html

KK

Ah yes Europartners.

There are many programs which are listed on the GPWA site which I would not consider promoting at this moment in time. This also includes Europartners. However I have no problem with Europartners or other programs being listed on the GPWA - It allows webmasters to have easy access to the programs which are listed. Dialogue with the programs is important if and when problems arise - and they do.

I also would not want to tell Michael Corfman how he should run his business and nor am I in a position to do this. Michael since taking over the GPWA has been upfront from the offset in regards to the programs listed on there. The programs are sponsors, nothing more nothing less.

That said if I was running a site like the GPWA, there would be no more than ten programs listed.

Originally Posted by RobWin

LOL...I remember that thread, they won't leave Webzcas alone and stop calling him.

Webzcas, did they ever stop calling you by the way?
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I still get the odd spam emails from Europartners. I also have received cold calls from them since that thread. But thankfully I haven't received one for quite a few months now

Originally Posted by zebedy

i did try that once over at GPWA but i was blasted down by a mod and branded a trouble maker although several people agreed with what i said very few people actually spoke up, ever since then my opinion of that site went way down,

what gets me is these affiliates soon bitch and moan when some affiliate programmes changes there terms to rectroactive, and tries to take some money out of the affiliates pocket, but when you go to there website they have no quabbles about promoting and sending a player to a rogue casino,

dam im starting to think i must be related to mary whitehouse,

There are many affiliates who do care first and foremost about the player. Off the top of my head, I can name Robwin, Simmo!, Dominique, KK and Meister himself who post here. ( I know there are many more so please don't feel offended if I have left you out - Just providing a couple of examples )

I am of the view that to be a successful affiliate and to establish a long term working relationship in this industry, you have to have integrity. To gain integrity and for your sites to be trusted by players is quite simple. Only promote casinos and poker rooms, whereby you yourself are happy to play at.

Since the CAP implosion, it is clear there is a big void and as such affiliates are fragmented all over the place. Out of the CAP ashes have risen new communities to represent affiliates. The worry is, affiliates collectively no longer hold the same sway over the programs that they used to. Therefore we are currently seeing retroactive changes creeping in to some programs terms and conditions. This is a worry if you are a webmaster.

Whilst I am a private member at the GPWA and still have my forum account at CAP and other webmaster communities, Casinomeister and my own forum on OCR are the only two places where I hang out these days.

The great thing about the Casinomeister Forum is that pretty much everyone connected to the industry checks in regulary to see what is happening. I would seriously advise all affiliates who have problems which need raising to also use the webmaster forums here on CM which Bryan has kindly afforded us webmasters.

[Pinababy69]

Originally Posted by mrracetrack

I just now became aware of this thread... and I feel I can offer some input on this topic... as I was the one that started the thread that Swampwitch referred to on Sucks... WEBMASTER "HALL OF SHAME"... two years ago.

I decided back in 2007 to "name & shame" webmasters that promoted "rogue" casinos... primarily the "Virtual Group" (and Gambling Wages) along with a few other "known rogues" including the casinos that are "rogued" here on Casinomeister.

A few webmasters replied... claiming to be unaware of the "rogue" label placed on some of the casinos they were promoting... and did indeed remove them from their websites. This was duly noted in follow up posts on that thread.

Most (95%) of the "shamed webmasters" never bothered to reply or respond.

The thread remained quite active for about 4-5 months... and like many topics... started to have only sporadic posts added every few months or so.

Posted by spiderlegz:



I am not the webmaster on Sucks... just the moderator. I'm sure you will find some "questionable" casinos on many websites. I will ask the webmaster of Sucks to post here and address your concerns about those casinos you listed. I do know the site hasn't been updated for awhile... as the webmaster has been very busy with non gambling related issues for the past 9 months.

I'll try to get him here to respond.

I also feel that Zebedy should be applauded for his attempt at "naming & shaming" websites and webmasters that promote rogue casinos.

Not surprising that you were "blasted" on the GPWA forum...
A large percentage of webmasters both on GPWA & CAP do indeed still promote Virtual & Gambling Wages casinos... and we all know why... $$$$$$$$$...

A BIG to you, Zebedy for trying to exhibit some morals and ethics in an industry highly contaminated by greedy, money hungry, morally bankrupt people.

I couldn't agree more. Take a look at Zebedy's posts. No sig link, even though their name is in green. I have no clue what Zebedy's website is. But I do know that they are a very active member here, and should definitely get some kudos for taking the initiative on a site like this.

While I agree that it may be impractical to attempt to determine which casinos are rogue, I think we can all agree that the Virtual Group meet all the criteria. So how about just listing/approving the websites that promote Virtual for starters? I don't know what your Google rankings are, but anything to counteract the search engine results that come up now for free bonus, no deposit bonus, etc., certainly couldn't hurt.

I wholeheartedly agree with MrR that you deserve a ton of kudos for even attemtping such a thing. This is EXACTLY the type of thing that I think JHV was trying to get at in the thread he started re: apathy, etc. Yes, you are only one person, but collectively....one and one and one adds up.

Originally Posted by Webzcas

Ah yes Europartners.



That said if I was running a site like the GPWA, there would be no more than ten programs listed.

I still get the odd spam emails from Europartners. I also have received cold calls from them since that thread. But thankfully I haven't received one for quite a few months now

There are many affiliates who do care first and foremost about the player. Off the top of my head, I can name Robwin, Simmo!, Dominique, KK and Meister himself who post here. ( I know there are many more so please don't feel offended if I have left you out - Just providing a couple of examples )

I am of the view that to be a successful affiliate and to establish a long term working relationship in this industry, you have to have integrity. To gain integrity and for your sites to be trusted by players is quite simple. Only promote casinos and poker rooms, whereby you yourself are happy to play at.

Since the CAP implosion, it is clear there is a big void and as such affiliates are fragmented all over the place. Out of the CAP ashes have risen new communities to represent affiliates. The worry is, affiliates collectively no longer hold the same sway over the programs that they used to. Therefore we are currently seeing retroactive changes creeping in to some programs terms and conditions. This is a worry if you are a webmaster.

Whilst I am a private member at the GPWA and still have my forum account at CAP and other webmaster communities, Casinomeister and my own forum on OCR are the only two places where I hang out these days.

The great thing about the Casinomeister Forum is that pretty much everyone connected to the industry checks in regulary to see what is happening. I would seriously advise all affiliates who have problems which need raising to also use the webmaster forums here on CM which Bryan has kindly afforded us webmasters.

Ditto here Webz, re: the # of programs you would promote. It is the whole reason I dropped doing the affy thing....just not enough confidence in many programs/casinos to make it worthwhile. I would struggle to come up with ten, but that's very close to my ideal list.

In re: your list of affies....matches mine exactly. But I would add Lots0. Mojo and Swampwitch to the list. Especially Swampy and Sorrell...I have known those women for forever...and they are as ethical as they come. You are also on my list of "good guys".

[Webzcas]

Zebedy I have just seen your post over on the Sucks board and I have to say I am truly amazed that one of the portals you have listed is featuring on it's home page, casinos such as Cool Cat Casino.

Indeed performing a search on 'Gambling Wages' ( The affiliate program behind these great virtual casinos ) shows several prominent affiliate portals recommending them.

These webmasters who run and own these portals are fully aware of the reputation the Virtual Casino Group has, yet it seems they are turning a blind eye. I wouldn't class the webmasters of the portals as weekend warriors either. As far as I know, they do this for a living. They really should know better.

[Pinababy69]

Originally Posted by Webzcas

Zebedy I have just seen your post over on the Sucks board and I have to say I amazed that one of the portals you have listed is featuring on it's home page sites such as Cool Cat Casino.

Indeed performing a search on 'Gambling Wages' ( The affiliate program behind these great virtual casinos ) shows several prominent affiliate portals recommending them.

Without naming names, it's mind boggling isn't it? Cha ching, cha ching, cha ching!!