RTG software..is it fixed..?

[mclee321]

TOC I understand what you are saying but I do have some unanswered questons about these casinos. I do know that the parameters can be changed with software and can react to certian logins, just like identifying you as a registered player or if your able to redeem a free chip or bonus so why not identifying as a preferred player. I have seen at another forum the admin. posting at least twice a week winning screen shots, and they are not small ones. It always seem to be at a casino that they are promoting at that time. I see many problems with online casinos, they have less overhead than land based casinos but give the player nothing. If I go to any casino in Atlantic City and play for one day, lets say I play $250, I recieve at least $5 in comp points and get anywhere from $5 to $50 in slot coupons in the mail. I have been depositing every day for two weeks into a casino in the Rushmore group and recieve nothing "they don't give free bonuses" I won $500 once and they took so long to process my withdrawal that I reversed it and lost it, and since then I can't win a thing not even break even. Before my win I could at least play for hours but after, I lose very quickly. I don't know but I have been gambling at land based casinos for many years and I don't win every time but there are more times that not that I break even, not online. If I had a problem at any land based casino they would throw me a bone, something, a free dinner or a slot comp but not online. I had a problem, and even went to the casino rep, they sent me my play log and told me that thier software was working properly, but the log didn't show all the times that I was kicked off or the software froze and I had to log out and then log back in they offered no remedy or explaination for what happened. So I do believe they pick and choose who wins and who loseses.

I have to be blunt here, bizarre theories about IP address, players, location being prefered is simply horseshit. Where you come up with these mental ideas, I'll never know.

In the main (rogue casinos can do anything I suppose), legitimate casinos are a business and they aren't going to risk it all by paying the same players over and over. They are discovered to be doing something like this, and it's game over for their rep. What good would it do them anyway?

Yes, certain players are rewarded more with quicker payouts and comps, but thats because they lose far more.

Jesus if you truly believe these certain casinos are crooked, stay the fuck away from them!

Apologies for being antagonistic, but the excuses gamblers use for losing sometimes makes me equal parts astounded and annoyed. You know the risks, get over it.

[miranda_x]

let me explain why i have this weird theory about the ip adresses. before i started playing at casinos i was a frequent player on online sweepstakes and flash games where you could win prizes. you know those games where you get one chance a day to win and is totaly random. a local newspaper here organizes these online flashgames regularly and me and a few other people of our forum found out that it was always the same people who won on these games. note that it isn't a skill based game, it's a luck of the draw game. so me and a few others of our forum digged a bit deeper and we found out that the people who where winning all came from the same area in flanders. so we started thinking about the ip theory. and since casino games are also flash...

[Vegasbum]

Casinos have no need to screw with the payouts. The odds are in their favour and in the long run they will and do win.

[millie54]

I have to be blunt here, bizarre theories about IP address, players, location being prefered is simply horseshit. Where you come up with these mental ideas, I'll never know.

In the main (rogue casinos can do anything I suppose), legitimate casinos are a business and they aren't going to risk it all by paying the same players over and over. They are discovered to be doing something like this, and it's game over for their rep. What good would it do them anyway?

Yes, certain players are rewarded more with quicker payouts and comps, but thats because they lose far more.

Jesus if you truly believe these certain casinos are crooked, stay the fuck away from them!

Apologies for being antagonistic, but the excuses gamblers use for losing sometimes makes me equal parts astounded and annoyed. You know the risks, get over it.

I'm not looking for an excuse for losing I have lost thousands in one day and have also won thousands in land based casinos, I know the drill, but I just encountered some strange happenings with a reputable casino's software and it was too much of a coincidence that after receiving Random Jackpot errors and being kicked off several times and than not being able to log back in for at least an hour, I can't play on my deposits for more than twenty minutes. There is no give and take, the casino sent me my play log and it doesn't show any of these occurances..Why? And even if I'm totally wrong and my bad luck has nothing to do with the software issue you would think that the casino would do something for me like maybe a comp or I'm sorry this happened. It's called good customer service, when you ignore a customer problem, even if the casino did nothing wrong it sends up a red flag to the customer. And people become suspicious of the lack of concern on the part of the casino.

[silkprint]

I agree !
If you all really feel the casinos are rigged by IP addresses and such then why are you still playing ? If I really believed that stuff they wouldn't be on my computer anymore . Why in the world would you keep feeding them your money?

[miranda_x]

i did a sweep last night cleaning my desktop of all the casinos where i had no luck after two deposits the casinos that i trust most AND won a fair amount at are 32red, buzzluck, jackpot capital ,vegas regal, intercasino and vegas towers wich i first thought was bad casinos that i don't wanna see or hear again are club world, river belle, jackpot city, all slots, paddypower and bet 365.

[skiny]

If I did a sweep of all casinos that I had no luck at after two deposits I'd wear my broom down to a nub and develop a callus.

[miranda_x]

If I did a sweep of all casinos that I had no luck at after two deposits I'd wear my broom down to a nub and develop a callus.

can someone please translate that i have no clue what that means

[johnsteed]

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I'd wear my broom down to a nub and develop a callus.

I think it means "there would be nothing left". Of course, I'm getting a strong and overly detailed vision of Thunderstruck, and Thor's hand on the "brown handle".



Steed

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[kenneth2816]

First, many people who operate gambling portals are affiliates in that they derive some revenue for referrals. Many casinos allow a sort of lateral tramsfer of funds, upon request, as credits in their casino. For certain people who have been affiliates a long time, this can amount to a subtantial sum.

but in order for the "IP Theory" to be feasible, you'd have to see not only the same IP's but the same casinos: primarily the ones the affiliate "promotes". This would be the only logic in doing it.

Second, almost all major gaming software providers maintain a central server, which means the casino operator simply does not have access to the codes (if they even exist) to juice up the machinery. It would be like you being able to gain access to your onw Internet Service Provider's central Admin Dept. The "casino" itself is merely a bank or network which can be located anywhere in the world, but the server is in only ONE location, and reputable casinos exercise very tight security measures; more than you would imagine!

Third, the use of the terms "program" and "random" do seen to negate each other. Software is "programmed" and predictable by nature, and thus cannot truly be "random". Random Number Generators, are "keyed" off a predetermined central point. Knowing what that central point is would then and only then, allow somone who DID have access to the main server to "predict" future results of the software. But even then, predicting a result is not the same as CAUSING the result anymore than it is when a siesmologist who predicts a major quake CAUSES the quake.

The Random Number Generator is "random" in that it is not sequential say, like when in a business, various operators who have access to a network can log on and get the "next" purchase order number generated by rotation.

Rather, in this scenario, the purchase order number can be made to be "random" as long as it obeys the program of not exceeding say 9 digits and not duplicating the same sequence.

I use 9 as an example of a 9 line slot, single coin. The RNG is able to produce any number of varying results as long as it remains within the parameters of the program. So in theory, it is possible to hit the top payout several times in a row, but the Law Of Averages dictates the probability of this is next to nil.

A truly random event would be tossing a coin. The only outcomes (the preset parameters) are that the coin will either land on heads or tails, thus giving a statistical odds of 50/50. BUT one cannot predict how many times out of say, 10,000 tosses, the coin will land on heads. When you translate this same "logic" to casino software, it isn't hard to understand that the software obeys the same paramenters, even if they are created by a IT geek.

Bottom line: "random" as the term is applied to typical casino software merely means that whatever "central point" the RNG keys off of dictates when and how much a payout will be. Even at this, a program can be created whereby there is still such unpredictability as to when this event will occur, that the integrity of the system is still maintained.

Yes, casino software can be manipulated, however the major software providers who own the license and "lease" the mainframe, are the ONLY persons who can do this, and simply speaking, their fee structure to the licensee does not include a profit motive for them to do so.

Since the brand mentioned is Real Time Gaming, let me say that in my very UNexpert opinion, RTG slots are about as "random" as they come, but in comparison, I do believe them to be programmed at a lower than average variance, meaning that the rate and increment of pay out vs. coins played reamins on the lower tier of percentages.