Playfair Casino

[vegetagirl2008]

This is just utterly ridiculous, A free chip with this crazy-ass playthrough..

[slotheadlizard]

Wow, that is crazy. At least its free. Hey Veg you may want to blackout your acct. no.

[zebedy]

they also dont allow players from the uk to redeem the free chip, even though it says nothing on there site about this,it seems like a big con to me

[vegetagirl2008]

Originally Posted by slotheadlizard

Wow, that is crazy. At least its free. Hey Veg you may want to blackout your acct. no.

Opps to late I think I get a mod to fix that thanks its not like I am going to deposit there anymore anyways

[jackieonweb]

I've been sent an email from these guys asking me to sign up.
Are they part of another group? Do they pay?

[KasinoKing]

Originally Posted by jackieonweb

I've been sent an email from these guys asking me to sign up.
Are they part of another group? Do they pay?

They are a sister casino to Casino33.
Both casinos are brand new and still suffering "Start-up teething" IMHO.
There is a rep here on the form called "CasinoJack" who says they do pay (well, he would, wouldn't he! )

See the last dozen or so posts in this thread:-
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...sino-33-a.html

Until they are properly established, why don't you just stick to existing accredited casinos - why take the risk?

Whatever you do... Good Luck!
KK

[jackieonweb]

Well my son thought he'd give the place a go and took their 777% slot bonus.
He had around 800 spins on their Cleopatra and Paydirt! slots and didn't get one bonus round. They normally come around every 100 spins don't they? If so that's about 3000 to 1.
Can they change the house edge on these slots?

[vinylweatherman]

Originally Posted by jackieonweb

Well my son thought he'd give the place a go and took their 777% slot bonus.
He had around 800 spins on their Cleopatra and Paydirt! slots and didn't get one bonus round. They normally come around every 100 spins don't they? If so that's about 3000 to 1.
Can they change the house edge on these slots?

Yes. So far as we can tell RTG offer 3 settings, approx values 93%, 95%, 97%

The differences may look insignificant, but convert this into playing experience.

If you played a total of 1000 spins at $1 for example, the lower setting would return (on average) $930. The middle setting would return $950, $20 more. Taking WR into consideration, for example, you might be asked to wager a deposit+bonus 20x. By lowering the RTP to 93%, the casino takes an extra $20 per $1000 played through, making it far harder to meet WR. This allows RTG casinos to pretend to be offering the SAME deal as "everybody else", or even better, but by using the lowest RTP setting the deal can be far WORSE than "everybody else".

It seems that RTG casinos are asking for some (maybe all) slots to be changed to a different RTP setting. A recent thread where a "technical glitch" was said to be producing two pears together on the RTG game FRuit Frenzy was later confirmed by a very good source to be HUMAN error, but only appearing because it featured in one of the ALTERNATE RTP versions of the game, NOT the standard 95% one that players assume they are being offered.

I very much doubt they have RAISED it to 97% given the current "credit crunch" climate, and following recession. I feel it reasonable to assume that seeing this double pear variant is an indication that the RTG casino concerned has switched the slots down to 93%, which would make them able to offer bonuses that APPEAR to be much better than they are.

RTP is varied by changing a few symbols on some or all of the reels. If a symbol that triggers a bonus round is removed, as might be the case where a "loose" variant featured two of them on a reel, the number of bonus rounds would decrease very noticeably. EXTENDING the length of a reel with only one bonus triggering symbol would have the same effect, more spins on average between bonus rounds. Padding would most likely be with low paying symbols, but craftier ways to pad out reels might be to ensure, for example, that reels 1 and 3 had loads of some kinds of symbols, and reel 2 had hardly any, but loads of symbols that hardly appear on reel 1 - this trick can make a slot APPEAR low variance, but actually be HIGH variance. The MGS slot Cashapillar uses this kind of reelstrip structure, so despite it having 100 winlines, you seem to get so many more "empty" spins than gut feeling tells you is right.

The fact that this casino says UK players can't have the free chip, BUT DOESN'T PUBLISH THIS IN THE TERMS makes this one to be wary of, because of what ELSE they might claim "applies to UK players" when they try to cash out from what seems a high bonus compared to the offerings from other software branded casinos.

[jackieonweb]

Thanks a lot for the info. I wasn't aware the HE could be changed between the different casinos.
It looks likely these guys are on the lowest payout setting then, unless my son just got some bad variance.
Thanks

[vinylweatherman]

Originally Posted by jackieonweb

Thanks a lot for the info. I wasn't aware the HE could be changed between the different casinos.
It looks likely these guys are on the lowest payout setting then, unless my son just got some bad variance.
Thanks

If there is WR to go, put Fruit Frenzy on, and look closely at reel 2. It has 40 stops, and the design cock-up that lets players see (and pretty obviously) that it is an alternate RTP version, is TWO pears, one above the other. These are at stops 40 and 1. NOT seeing them is not conclusive until quite a few spins have been played, but seeing them even ONCE is pretty conclusive.

If your son manages to beat the WR, and have money to withdraw, he should expect (if this has not already happened) to send copies of identity documents to the casino before they pay. This is standard, and unless the casino is a known rogue, nothing sinister.

A standard request would be

1) Driving License or Passport
2) Utility bill, bank statement (or anything official that proves he lives where he said he does when registering).
3) Declaration form for any credit cards used

A "playing games" request would be any, or all of:-

1) A picture of him holding his Passport or Driving License
2) A "notarised" copy of the above documents
3) Withdrawal stuck "pending" and sudden and unexplainable loss of communication.

If he is old enough to gamble, but does not drive, and does not have a passport, he can face SERIOUS problems in getting paid from a large number of online casinos, and may need help (unless he is "up to something", or received bad advice on how to register & play)