No more RTG for me.

**bb28** · 20th July 2009, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by casinojack

This help? Partial screen shot? This is no secret, all casino do this, land and internet based.

No I'm sorry that didn't help. The screenie shows 97% all the way across.
I'm not trying to be a smartass really......I'm really interested in what you have to share.
I've read in numerous places and I think it's an undisputed fact that landbased casino's do have different payouts set for different machines, example = a row of 12, 5 of them are 95%, 1 is 98%, 6 are 93% so they can say that this section pays up to 98% and it's all above board but I don't recall ever reading anywhere that the same can be done for online slots.

Are you saying that (stupid made up name here), let's call it the Bang for you buck slot has different payouts when playing different bet -coin size?

**funeral979** · 20th July 2009, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by silcnlayc

Are you bragging or complaining?? Just be grateful, very , very grateful, because not many can claim this honor, and maybe you did have that little star by your name? LOL.

Well I am hardly bragging, as you left out the part of how much I have lost over the years. I think you maybe you missed the point of my post. Just because someone hit one, or many, random jackpots does not mean that they have a 'star' by their name.....or even that they were lucky.

I elaborated in a post quite some time ago that all my randoms were hit under rather unusual circumstances. Most notably at Vegas Casino Online where I was a customer for almost 10 years, and threatened to close my account.....and I was then awarded a manager bonus.... and about a half an hour later I hit a RJ.

So believe me, I do think there is some great manipulation done behind the scenes.....whether manipulating the players or the games, it is happening. Nothing will ever be done about it, so I just leave well enough alone.

**casinojack** · 20th July 2009, 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by bb28

No I'm sorry that didn't help. The screenie shows 97% all the way across.
I'm not trying to be a smartass really......I'm really interested in what you have to share.
I've read in numerous places and I think it's an undisputed fact that landbased casino's do have different payouts set for different machines, example = a row of 12, 5 of them are 95%, 1 is 98%, 6 are 93% so they can say that this section pays up to 98% and it's all above board but I don't recall ever reading anywhere that the same can be done for online slots.

Are you saying that (stupid made up name here), let's call it the Bang for you buck slot has different payouts when playing different bet -coin size?

Well, last thing I cna offer you, is PM me and ill do a video of my desktop and show you more information, but I think would not be a great idea

however, the reason it shows that PER line is cause it is able to be changed by a casino manager. This particular casino offers 97% on all games it is able to. That is why you see it like that. I can go in and change for purpose of screen shot, but not going to. You can appreciate I need to be careful what I show and don't show I am sure...

Any rate, Any other Ops can speak up and tell you this is the truth. I believe in transparency, and have only worked as an aff manager one time, and about to again next week or so.....

Sorry this didn't live up to your expectations, but I feel you are splitting hairs

**bb28** · 20th July 2009, 11:41 PM

Thanks for the effort CasinoJack.

**deucebag** · 21st July 2009, 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by casinojack

This help? Partial screen shot? This is no secret, all casino do this, land and internet based.

Thanks for your input, casinojack. What are the different settings for RTG slots? As I recall there are three different settings, I assume 97% is the highest? What is the lowest?

The fact that RTG operators can and do change the slot payback at will is a major trust problem for me as a player. Why don't we see these kinds of threads about MG casinos? Granted, they don't publish theoretical payback, but the slots are not configurable by the operators. We know that the slots stay the same from one day to the next.

**casinojack** · 21st July 2009, 01:16 AM

good question, but it is the same

I think lowest is 91% ? But I am not somewhere I can check this moment.

I will tell you this: After seeing a lot of software that's takes USA players, backend and front, RTG does some great things, for the player and operator. My fav:

Lets say i want free money games to pay out 99.9999% and then when players deposits, I keep it all !! YOU CANT!! RTG is very fair this way, odd and setting on free money same as real money.

Also, I like their blackjack. I think 8 decks is good, but if I want to move it to 200 decks I could. Would be retarded, but you could.

At days end remember this. Casino are there to make money, of course. The house wins. Play at RTG casino where they publish things like slots 97%, ( at elast on some of the games) decks in blackjack, etc.

I won't work for anyone who does not. Nor would I play them.

SIDENOTE: all those huge network progressives, RTG pays the players, not the operator So if you win a million bucks, you will get paid!!

**osulle** · 21st July 2009, 04:51 AM

Originally Posted by casinojack

SIDENOTE: all those huge network progressives, RTG pays the players, not the operator So if you win a million bucks, you will get paid!!

Casinojack do you know if the payout percentage is higer on the progressive slots?
I have played both Aztec Millions and Jackpot Pinatas at several casinos and noticed you get to the free spin and more money faster on Aztec Millions than you do at Jackpot Pinatas most of the time.

**addaminsane** · 21st July 2009, 05:26 AM

attracting play with good games but tight payout seems like they chose a good business plan for them!

It appears lots of people continue to play there cuz of the games...

**Kenny Lingus** · 21st July 2009, 08:59 AM

Just remember: It's all b*llsh*t. You are gonna lose unless you are one of the .01% that gets really lucky.

What changed for me, and why I no longer play at online casinos, is that the casinos USED to let you win on more than a chance occasion, but no longer. The casinos are out for blood, and they don't give the average player a prayer anymore.

So f*ck'em. I will not give these b*st*rds any more of my money. I now play free tourneys, and small stakes poker.

And you know what? I don't miss it. None of it. Especially my money!

**doomed4ever** · 21st July 2009, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by Kenny Lingus

Just remember: It's all b*llsh*t. You are gonna lose unless you are one of the .01% that gets really lucky.

What changed for me, and why I no longer play at online casinos, is that the casinos USED to let you win on more than a chance occasion, but no longer. The casinos are out for blood, and they don't give the average player a prayer anymore.

So f*ck'em. I will not give these b*st*rds any more of my money. I now play free tourneys, and small stakes poker.

And you know what? I don't miss it. None of it. Especially my money!

Oh dear we are angry are we not. Casinos dont choose to let you win or loose they dont need to. Built in house edge etc. They will always win long term on the whole , and I doubt if they really care who wins and who dont apart from maybe if its a person who is vocal on the forums then its good for them to get the name out with xxx user saying thanks for a big hit. For every winner their is a looser and visa versa.