New Grande Vegas

[Roanan]

As this casino has a rep here on the forum, I would like her to explain why her casino has hopped into bed with the Chinese based criminal spam enterprise known as elitegamingservices_com

To: xxxxx@telusmail.net>
Subject: Roanan Receive a 200% Welcome Bonu's
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:46:07 +0800
From: "James" <support@elitegamingservices.com>
Reply-To: support@elitegamingservices.com


Welcome to Grande Vega's Ca,sino,


Grande Vega's™ Exclusive First De,posit offer of

200% up to $200 FR-EE for YOU!
---------------- Let THIS offer carry YOU away! ----------------


Co,upon Code:
200MATCH
Deposit $100 and play with $300 FR-EE!
Make your first de,posit and receive an amazing bonu,s of 200% up to $200 FR-EE!



No pa,yout limits
---------------- at Grande Vega,s Ca-sino! ----------------


Play Now!
Follow these easy steps: Enter the co,upon c,ode in the "redeem c'oupon"
section of the ca,sino cashier:

Cou-pon Code : "200MATCH"
Your account will be credited with the bo,nus.*
1.Sign up for a ca,sino account
2.Make your first deposit.
3.Enter co,upon c,ode:
--------------------------------------------------------------------

Note: redeem the cou,pon before making any wagers
to take advantage of these bo,nus offers.
-------------------------------------------------



TOLL FREE NUMBERS:
USA : 18669600097 | Canada : 18669411527
UK : 8082343241 | Australia : 1800017402 EMAIL:
Support : help@grandevegascasino.com
Finance : finance@grandevegascasino.com
Unsubscribe me from this contact list


IP address: 211.154.139.73
Host name: elitegamingservices.com

Alias:
elitegamingservices.com
211.154.139.73 is from China(CN) in region Southern and Eastern Asia


TraceRoute to 211.154.139.73 [elitegamingservices.com]
Hop (ms) (ms) (ms) IP Address Host name
1 14 9 20 72.249.128.109 -
2 7 12 15 8.9.232.73 xe-5-3-0.edge3.dallas1.level3.net
3 Timed out 23 22 4.69.145.140 ae-3-80.edge2.dallas3.level3.net
4 16 10 13 144.232.24.17 sl-st30-dal-0-1-2-0.sprintlink.net
5 9 8 10 144.232.20.253 sl-crs2-fw-0-6-5-0.sprintlink.net
6 46 37 36 144.232.19.196 sl-crs2-ana-0-6-2-0.sprintlink.net
7 37 77 58 144.232.1.82 sl-gw29-ana-1-0-0.sprintlink.net
8 44 44 54 144.228.74.222 sl-china1-270104-0.sprintlink.net
9 228 224 218 202.97.51.41 -
10 216 219 222 202.97.60.69 -
11 208 219 214 202.97.33.137 -
12 218 219 275 119.145.47.61 -
13 214 215 216 121.15.179.13 -
14 225 213 217 219.133.30.178 -
15 216 216 216 58.60.188.162 -
16 226 240 231 211.154.159.234 -
17 213 212 209 211.154.139.73 ns1.ehortonhome.org

Trace complete


Retrieving DNS records for elitegamingservices.com...

DNS servers
dns21.hichina.com [119.145.145.57]
dns22.hichina.com [119.145.145.58]

Answer records
elitegamingservices.com SOA
server: dns21.hichina.com
email: hostmaster@hichina.com
serial: 2010012002
refresh: 10800
retry: 2000
expire: 691200
minimum ttl: 50000
3600s
elitegamingservices.com A 211.154.139.73 10800s
elitegamingservices.com MX
preference: 10
exchange: mail.elitegamingservices.com
3600s
elitegamingservices.com NS dns22.hichina.com 3600s
elitegamingservices.com NS dns21.hichina.com 3600s

Authority records

Additional records
mail.elitegamingservices.com A 211.154.139.73 10800s


Whois query for elitegamingservices.com...

Results returned from whois.internic.net:


Whois Server Version 2.0

Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.

Domain Name: ELITEGAMINGSERVICES.COM
Registrar: HICHINA ZHICHENG TECHNOLOGY LTD.
Whois Server: grs.hichina.com
Referral URL: http://www.net.cn
Name Server: DNS21.HICHINA.COM
Name Server: DNS22.HICHINA.COM
Status: ok
Updated Date: 06-oct-2009
Creation Date: 06-oct-2009
Expiration Date: 06-oct-2010

>>> Last update of whois database: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:33:43 UTC <<<

NOTICE: The expiration date displayed in this record is the date the
registrar's sponsorship of the domain name registration in the registry is
currently set to expire. This date does not necessarily reflect the expiration
date of the domain name registrant's agreement with the sponsoring
registrar. Users may consult the sponsoring registrar's Whois database to
view the registrar's reported date of expiration for this registration.

TERMS OF USE: You are not authorized to access or query our Whois
database through the use of electronic processes that are high-volume and
automated except as reasonably necessary to register domain names or
modify existing registrations; the Data in VeriSign Global Registry
Services' ("VeriSign") Whois database is provided by VeriSign for
information purposes only, and to assist persons in obtaining information
about or related to a domain name registration record. VeriSign does not
guarantee its accuracy. By submitting a Whois query, you agree to abide
by the following terms of use: You agree that you may use this Data only
for lawful purposes and that under no circumstances will you use this Data
to: (1) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission of mass
unsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations via e-mail, telephone,
or facsimile; or (2) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes
that apply to VeriSign (or its computer systems). The compilation,
repackaging, dissemination or other use of this Data is expressly
prohibited without the prior written consent of VeriSign. You agree not to
use electronic processes that are automated and high-volume to access or
query the Whois database except as reasonably necessary to register
domain names or modify existing registrations. VeriSign reserves the right
to restrict your access to the Whois database in its sole discretion to ensure
operational stability. VeriSign may restrict or terminate your access to the
Whois database for failure to abide by these terms of use. VeriSign
reserves the right to modify these terms at any time.

The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .EDU domains and
Registrars.


Results returned from grs.hichina.com:

Domain Name ..................... elitegamingservices.com
Name Server ..................... dns21.hichina.com
dns22.hichina.com
Registrant ID ................... hc439104117-cn
Registrant Name ................. li yun
Registrant Organization ......... li yun
Registrant Address .............. li yun
Registrant City ................. shanghai
Registrant Province/State ....... shanghai
Registrant Postal Code .......... 000000
Registrant Country Code ......... CN
Registrant Phone Number ......... +86.15255260236 - 0
Registrant Fax .................. +86.15255260236 - 0
Registrant Email ................ lixing688@gmail.com
Administrative ID ............... hc439104117-cn
Administrative Name ............. li yun
Administrative Organization ..... li yun
Administrative Address .......... li yun
Administrative City ............. shanghai
Administrative Province/State ... shanghai
Administrative Postal Code ...... 000000
Administrative Country Code ..... CN
Administrative Phone Number ..... +86.15255260236 - 0
Administrative Fax .............. +86.15255260236 - 0
Administrative Email ............ lixing688@gmail.com
Billing ID ...................... hc439104117-cn
Billing Name .................... li yun
Billing Organization ............ li yun
Billing Address ................. li yun
Billing City .................... shanghai
Billing Province/State .......... shanghai
Billing Postal Code ............. 000000
Billing Country Code ............ CN
Billing Phone Number ............ +86.15255260236 - 0
Billing Fax ..................... +86.15255260236 - 0
Billing Email ................... lixing688@gmail.com
Technical ID .................... hc439104117-cn
Technical Name .................. li yun
Technical Organization .......... li yun
Technical Address ............... li yun
Technical City .................. shanghai
Technical Province/State ........ shanghai
Technical Postal Code ........... 000000
Technical Country Code .......... CN
Technical Phone Number .......... +86.15255260236 - 0
Technical Fax ................... +86.15255260236 - 0
Technical Email ................. lixing688@gmail.com
Expiration Date ................. 2010-10-06 05:31:27

Network IP address lookup:


Whois query for 211.154.139.73...

Results returned from whois.arin.net:


OrgName: Asia Pacific Network Information Centre
OrgID: APNIC
Address: PO Box 2131
City: Milton
StateProv: QLD
PostalCode: 4064
Country: AU

ReferralServer: whois://whois.apnic.net

NetRange: 210.0.0.0 - 211.255.255.255
CIDR: 210.0.0.0/7
NetName: APNIC-CIDR-BLK2
NetHandle: NET-210-0-0-0-1
Parent:
NetType: Allocated to APNIC
NameServer: NS1.APNIC.NET
NameServer: NS3.APNIC.NET
NameServer: NS4.APNIC.NET
NameServer: NS-SEC.RIPE.NET
NameServer: TINNIE.ARIN.NET
NameServer: DNS1.TELSTRA.NET
Comment: This IP address range is not registered in the ARIN database.
Comment: For details, refer to the APNIC Whois Database via
Comment: WHOIS.APNIC.NET or http://wq.apnic.net/apnic-bin/whois.pl
Comment: ** IMPORTANT NOTE: APNIC is the Regional Internet Registry
Comment: for the Asia Pacific region. APNIC does not operate networks
Comment: using this IP address range and is not able to investigate
Comment: spam or abuse reports relating to these addresses. For more
Comment: help, refer to http://www.apnic.net/apnic-info/whoi...e-and-spamming
RegDate: 1996-07-01
Updated: 2009-10-08

OrgTechHandle: AWC12-ARIN
OrgTechName: APNIC Whois Contact
OrgTechPhone: +61 7 3858 3188
OrgTechEmail: search-apnic-not-arin@apnic.net

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2010-01-26 20:00
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.
#
# ARIN WHOIS data and services are subject to the Terms of Use
# available at https://www.arin.net/whois_tou.html


Results returned from whois.apnic.net:

% [whois.apnic.net node-3]
% Whois data copyright terms http://www.apnic.net/db/dbcopyright.html

inetnum: 211.154.128.0 - 211.154.159.255
netname: CMNET
country: CN
descr: China Motion Network Communication
admin-c: BY158-AP
tech-c: BY158-AP
status: ALLOCATED PORTABLE
changed: shenzhi@cnnic.cn 20041129
mnt-by: MAINT-CNNIC-AP
source: APNIC

person: Binghua Yang
nic-hdl: BY158-AP
e-mail: idc-service@hotmail.com
address: 9F,Yu Hua Industrial & Trading Building,Bao Gang Rd.Luo
address: Hu District,Shenzhen
phone: +86-0755-82189782
fax-no: +86-755-82189789
country: CN
changed: shenzhi@cnnic.cn 20041126
changed: ipas@cnnic.net.cn 20070514
mnt-by: MAINT-CN-CMNET
source: APNIC

route: 211.154.136.0/22
descr: Chinanet Guangdong Telecom
origin: AS4134
remarks: this is registered by ruan zhidan
notify: rzd@gddc.com.cn
mnt-by: MAINT-AS4813
changed: rzd@gddc.com.cn 20040420
source: RADB

route: 211.154.128.0/19
descr: Guangdong Runxun
origin: AS4134
remarks: this is registered by ruan zhidan
notify: rzd@gddc.com.cn
mnt-by: MAINT-AS4813
changed: rzd@gddc.com.cn 20041229
source: RADB

[Grande Vegas]

Hi All

Firstly, TAXI298, I have sent you a PM to obtain your Grande Vegas login, as I would like to get to the bottom of this issue swiftly for you.

Secondly, Maphesto, Grande Vegas Casino out sources its support staff and an issue has been previously raised regarding this. The staff have been strictly instructed regarding the importance of this issue, however human error is always there. Grande Vegas is not connected to any other casino. I have been in contact with the support staff to make sure that errors like these do not occur in the future.

Lastly, Roanan. My apologies for the delay in response, but I have been trying to get to the bottom of this issue. As far as Grande Vegas is concerned, we have absoulutely no known affiliation with the elitegamingservices group. Unfortunately we cannot control mails like this going out and this is the first I have heard of it. Thank you for bringing it to our attention and I would like to assure you that the issue is being investigated and dealt with.

If there is anything further I can assist you with, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Kind Regards,

Madison Green
madison.g@grandvegascasio.com

[maphesto]

Grande Vegas is not connected to any other casino.

I can`t help this, I just have to investigate such things. There is something scratching inside of my head when I don`t.

I am a depositing customer at both the casinos(I`l almost sure I have deposit at Grande) and both casinos have treated me well. It was a quick withdrawal at Gold Vegas.

There is something strange:

Grande Vegas Casino and Gold Vegas Casino have the exactly nameservers:

Nameservers ns19a.nameservers.net, ns19b.nameservers.net

Grande Vegas Casino support
TOLL FREE NUMBERS:

USA 18669600097

USA - Fax 18669600095

Canada 18669411527

Gold Vegas Casino support

USA 1866-960-0096

USA - Fax 1866-960-0094

Canada 1866-941-1526

I can see some things that points out that you have some connections.

I truly apologize if I misunderstood you.

[Grande Vegas]

Hi

I am very glad that you "can't help this and have to investigate". If you had not, we may not have been made aware of this, so again, thank you.

Regarding the Grande Vegas / Gold issue, we obviously make use of the same people with regards to out sourcing our support staff. Hence the similarities between the two.

I am pleased to hear that you have played at Grande Vegas and I do look forward to seeing you at Grande Vegas soon.

I hope this further clears the air.

Madison

[Dangerous53]

As this casino has a rep here on the forum, I would like her to explain why her casino has hopped into bed with the Chinese based criminal spam enterprise known as elitegamingservices_com

To: xxxxx@telusmail.net>
Subject: Roanan Receive a 200% Welcome Bonu's
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:46:07 +0800
From: "James" <support@elitegamingservices.com>
Reply-To: support@elitegamingservices.com


Welcome to Grande Vega's Ca,sino,


Grande Vega's™ Exclusive First De,posit offer of

200% up to $200 FR-EE for YOU!
---------------- Let THIS offer carry YOU away! ----------------


Co,upon Code:
200MATCH
Deposit $100 and play with $300 FR-EE!
Make your first de,posit and receive an amazing bonu,s of 200% up to $200 FR-EE!



No pa,yout limits
---------------- at Grande Vega,s Ca-sino! ----------------


Play Now!
Follow these easy steps: Enter the co,upon c,ode in the "redeem c'oupon"
section of the ca,sino cashier:

Cou-pon Code : "200MATCH"
Your account will be credited with the bo,nus.*
1.Sign up for a ca,sino account
2.Make your first deposit.
3.Enter co,upon c,ode:
--------------------------------------------------------------------

Note: redeem the cou,pon before making any wagers
to take advantage of these bo,nus offers.
-------------------------------------------------



TOLL FREE NUMBERS:
USA : 18669600097 | Canada : 18669411527
UK : 8082343241 | Australia : 1800017402 EMAIL:
Support : help@grandevegascasino.com
Finance : finance@grandevegascasino.com
Unsubscribe me from this contact list


IP address: 211.154.139.73
Host name: elitegamingservices.com

Alias:
elitegamingservices.com
211.154.139.73 is from China(CN) in region Southern and Eastern Asia


TraceRoute to 211.154.139.73 [elitegamingservices.com]
Hop (ms) (ms) (ms) IP Address Host name
1 14 9 20 72.249.128.109 -
2 7 12 15 8.9.232.73 xe-5-3-0.edge3.dallas1.level3.net
3 Timed out 23 22 4.69.145.140 ae-3-80.edge2.dallas3.level3.net
4 16 10 13 144.232.24.17 sl-st30-dal-0-1-2-0.sprintlink.net
5 9 8 10 144.232.20.253 sl-crs2-fw-0-6-5-0.sprintlink.net
6 46 37 36 144.232.19.196 sl-crs2-ana-0-6-2-0.sprintlink.net
7 37 77 58 144.232.1.82 sl-gw29-ana-1-0-0.sprintlink.net
8 44 44 54 144.228.74.222 sl-china1-270104-0.sprintlink.net
9 228 224 218 202.97.51.41 -
10 216 219 222 202.97.60.69 -
11 208 219 214 202.97.33.137 -
12 218 219 275 119.145.47.61 -
13 214 215 216 121.15.179.13 -
14 225 213 217 219.133.30.178 -
15 216 216 216 58.60.188.162 -
16 226 240 231 211.154.159.234 -
17 213 212 209 211.154.139.73 ns1.ehortonhome.org

Trace complete


Retrieving DNS records for elitegamingservices.com...

DNS servers
dns21.hichina.com [119.145.145.57]
dns22.hichina.com [119.145.145.58]

Answer records
elitegamingservices.com SOA
server: dns21.hichina.com
email: hostmaster@hichina.com
serial: 2010012002
refresh: 10800
retry: 2000
expire: 691200
minimum ttl: 50000
3600s
elitegamingservices.com A 211.154.139.73 10800s
elitegamingservices.com MX
preference: 10
exchange: mail.elitegamingservices.com
3600s
elitegamingservices.com NS dns22.hichina.com 3600s
elitegamingservices.com NS dns21.hichina.com 3600s

Authority records

Additional records
mail.elitegamingservices.com A 211.154.139.73 10800s


Whois query for elitegamingservices.com...

Results returned from whois.internic.net:


Whois Server Version 2.0

Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.

Domain Name: ELITEGAMINGSERVICES.COM
Registrar: HICHINA ZHICHENG TECHNOLOGY LTD.
Whois Server: grs.hichina.com
Referral URL: http://www.net.cn
Name Server: DNS21.HICHINA.COM
Name Server: DNS22.HICHINA.COM
Status: ok
Updated Date: 06-oct-2009
Creation Date: 06-oct-2009
Expiration Date: 06-oct-2010

>>> Last update of whois database: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:33:43 UTC <<<

NOTICE: The expiration date displayed in this record is the date the
registrar's sponsorship of the domain name registration in the registry is
currently set to expire. This date does not necessarily reflect the expiration
date of the domain name registrant's agreement with the sponsoring
registrar. Users may consult the sponsoring registrar's Whois database to
view the registrar's reported date of expiration for this registration.

TERMS OF USE: You are not authorized to access or query our Whois
database through the use of electronic processes that are high-volume and
automated except as reasonably necessary to register domain names or
modify existing registrations; the Data in VeriSign Global Registry
Services' ("VeriSign") Whois database is provided by VeriSign for
information purposes only, and to assist persons in obtaining information
about or related to a domain name registration record. VeriSign does not
guarantee its accuracy. By submitting a Whois query, you agree to abide
by the following terms of use: You agree that you may use this Data only
for lawful purposes and that under no circumstances will you use this Data
to: (1) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission of mass
unsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations via e-mail, telephone,
or facsimile; or (2) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes
that apply to VeriSign (or its computer systems). The compilation,
repackaging, dissemination or other use of this Data is expressly
prohibited without the prior written consent of VeriSign. You agree not to
use electronic processes that are automated and high-volume to access or
query the Whois database except as reasonably necessary to register
domain names or modify existing registrations. VeriSign reserves the right
to restrict your access to the Whois database in its sole discretion to ensure
operational stability. VeriSign may restrict or terminate your access to the
Whois database for failure to abide by these terms of use. VeriSign
reserves the right to modify these terms at any time.

The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .EDU domains and
Registrars.


Results returned from grs.hichina.com:

Domain Name ..................... elitegamingservices.com
Name Server ..................... dns21.hichina.com
dns22.hichina.com
Registrant ID ................... hc439104117-cn
Registrant Name ................. li yun
Registrant Organization ......... li yun
Registrant Address .............. li yun
Registrant City ................. shanghai
Registrant Province/State ....... shanghai
Registrant Postal Code .......... 000000
Registrant Country Code ......... CN
Registrant Phone Number ......... +86.15255260236 - 0
Registrant Fax .................. +86.15255260236 - 0
Registrant Email ................ lixing688@gmail.com
Administrative ID ............... hc439104117-cn
Administrative Name ............. li yun
Administrative Organization ..... li yun
Administrative Address .......... li yun
Administrative City ............. shanghai
Administrative Province/State ... shanghai
Administrative Postal Code ...... 000000
Administrative Country Code ..... CN
Administrative Phone Number ..... +86.15255260236 - 0
Administrative Fax .............. +86.15255260236 - 0
Administrative Email ............ lixing688@gmail.com
Billing ID ...................... hc439104117-cn
Billing Name .................... li yun
Billing Organization ............ li yun
Billing Address ................. li yun
Billing City .................... shanghai
Billing Province/State .......... shanghai
Billing Postal Code ............. 000000
Billing Country Code ............ CN
Billing Phone Number ............ +86.15255260236 - 0
Billing Fax ..................... +86.15255260236 - 0
Billing Email ................... lixing688@gmail.com
Technical ID .................... hc439104117-cn
Technical Name .................. li yun
Technical Organization .......... li yun
Technical Address ............... li yun
Technical City .................. shanghai
Technical Province/State ........ shanghai
Technical Postal Code ........... 000000
Technical Country Code .......... CN
Technical Phone Number .......... +86.15255260236 - 0
Technical Fax ................... +86.15255260236 - 0
Technical Email ................. lixing688@gmail.com
Expiration Date ................. 2010-10-06 05:31:27

Network IP address lookup:


Whois query for 211.154.139.73...

Results returned from whois.arin.net:


OrgName: Asia Pacific Network Information Centre
OrgID: APNIC
Address: PO Box 2131
City: Milton
StateProv: QLD
PostalCode: 4064
Country: AU

ReferralServer: whois://whois.apnic.net

NetRange: 210.0.0.0 - 211.255.255.255
CIDR: 210.0.0.0/7
NetName: APNIC-CIDR-BLK2
NetHandle: NET-210-0-0-0-1
Parent:
NetType: Allocated to APNIC
NameServer: NS1.APNIC.NET
NameServer: NS3.APNIC.NET
NameServer: NS4.APNIC.NET
NameServer: NS-SEC.RIPE.NET
NameServer: TINNIE.ARIN.NET
NameServer: DNS1.TELSTRA.NET
Comment: This IP address range is not registered in the ARIN database.
Comment: For details, refer to the APNIC Whois Database via
Comment: WHOIS.APNIC.NET or http://wq.apnic.net/apnic-bin/whois.pl
Comment: ** IMPORTANT NOTE: APNIC is the Regional Internet Registry
Comment: for the Asia Pacific region. APNIC does not operate networks
Comment: using this IP address range and is not able to investigate
Comment: spam or abuse reports relating to these addresses. For more
Comment: help, refer to http://www.apnic.net/apnic-info/whoi...e-and-spamming
RegDate: 1996-07-01
Updated: 2009-10-08

OrgTechHandle: AWC12-ARIN
OrgTechName: APNIC Whois Contact
OrgTechPhone: +61 7 3858 3188
OrgTechEmail: search-apnic-not-arin@apnic.net

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2010-01-26 20:00
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.
#
# ARIN WHOIS data and services are subject to the Terms of Use
# available at https://www.arin.net/whois_tou.html


Results returned from whois.apnic.net:

% [whois.apnic.net node-3]
% Whois data copyright terms http://www.apnic.net/db/dbcopyright.html

inetnum: 211.154.128.0 - 211.154.159.255
netname: CMNET
country: CN
descr: China Motion Network Communication
admin-c: BY158-AP
tech-c: BY158-AP
status: ALLOCATED PORTABLE
changed: shenzhi@cnnic.cn 20041129
mnt-by: MAINT-CNNIC-AP
source: APNIC

person: Binghua Yang
nic-hdl: BY158-AP
e-mail: idc-service@hotmail.com
address: 9F,Yu Hua Industrial & Trading Building,Bao Gang Rd.Luo
address: Hu District,Shenzhen
phone: +86-0755-82189782
fax-no: +86-755-82189789
country: CN
changed: shenzhi@cnnic.cn 20041126
changed: ipas@cnnic.net.cn 20070514
mnt-by: MAINT-CN-CMNET
source: APNIC

route: 211.154.136.0/22
descr: Chinanet Guangdong Telecom
origin: AS4134
remarks: this is registered by ruan zhidan
notify: rzd@gddc.com.cn
mnt-by: MAINT-AS4813
changed: rzd@gddc.com.cn 20040420
source: RADB

route: 211.154.128.0/19
descr: Guangdong Runxun
origin: AS4134
remarks: this is registered by ruan zhidan
notify: rzd@gddc.com.cn
mnt-by: MAINT-AS4813
changed: rzd@gddc.com.cn 20041229
source: RADB

I got the same spam the other day, I sent a copy of the header and affiliate link to Melanie and she said it would be looked into. I suspect/hope that they will be dropped from the affiliate program and any funds due withheld.

The problem with affiliate programs as I see it, is that anyone can sign up to be an affiliate at most sites, and only get booted AFTER the spamming has been discovered by the site. That's why every spam I get that's for a reputable casino gets forwarded to their affiliate support.

Every spam I get also gets reported to SpamCop.net, easy to sign up, free to use, and if a particular spammer gets enough complaints to their ISP they may get booted there too. It doesn't always help, but every little bit counts on the war against these spammers.

[maphesto]

Hello again!

I am very glad that you "can't help this and have to investigate". If you had not, we may not have been made aware of this, so again, thank you.

Well, it seems as you will get the chance to thank me even more. I am really glad to help!

Grande Vegas is not connected to any other casino.

Regarding the Grande Vegas / Gold issue, we obviously make use of the same people with regards to out sourcing our support staff. Hence the similarities between the two.

I found this in a casino review on the net:

Grande Vegas Casino is a casino using RTG software licensed in Netherlands Antilles. It is owned by Sulkin Limited.

And this at another place:

Grande Vegas Casino Owner
Sulkin Limited
Griva Digeni 115
Trident Centre
Mesa Geitonia, Lemesos
Cyprus

And now you wonder why I checked this up!

I did it because when I deposit at Gold Vegas my NETeller receipt said Sulkin Limited.

First you denied the connection totally, then admitting sharing support staff.

Now I can prove that the owner of Grande Vegas recieves my money when I deposit at Gold Vegas.

All this denial from you just because I tried to help a player with this:

Have you been playing at Gold Vegas and made a withdrawal request?

The question seems very strange but when I made a withdrawal at Gold Vegas the email was sent from Grande Vegas.

I haven`t lost confidence in either one of the casinos but I wonder why you didn`t just answer that you are connected in several ways.

[Richard]

Grande Vegas must step up its withdrawal processing time. To make a person wait 3+ days is insane. I nearly closed my account there. My withdrawal sat pending. On Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday and Tueday. Most other RTG will process in 24hrs or less.

[chuchu59]

Grande Vegas must step up its withdrawal processing time. To make a person wait 3+ days is insane. I nearly closed my account there. My withdrawal sat pending. On Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday and Tueday. Most other RTG will process in 24hrs or less.

I beg to differ. I received my 2 withdrawals within 24 hours. Maybe I was just lucky.

[maphesto]

I haven`t lost confidence in either one of the casinos but I wonder why you didn`t just answer that you are connected in several ways.

I realize now that the fact that Grande Vegas is on the accredited list and Gold Vegas isn`t can force you to deny the fact that the two casinos have the same owner.

Both casinos seems serious, can`t you make Gold Vegas accredited? Or is it impossible for a Top Game-casino to reach that list?

[Pinababy69]

can`t you make Gold Vegas accredited? Or is it impossible for a Top Game-casino to reach that list?

I sure hope they can't Maphesto. And I wouldn't want to be associated with any Top Game casino either.

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