One Million Reels BC $204,167.54 + was hit today

[Pinababy69]

No funds are set back to the Progressive Jackpot Pool period per CS in January 2009.

Progressive predatory bonuses, progressive win installment payments, well you can decide. I already have long ago.

EDIT:Of course, the above mentioned was before max. cashouts were added to the menu

If this is true, my worst fears are realised. I was wondering why the hell Irish Luck came up with such a promo. If the funds are supposedly given to a winner but he had to convert these to comps after a marathon run, Irish Luck gets the bulk of the JP legitimately because ultimately he has to play it all back at max bet in the casino and it's akin to laundering money.

IF, and I repeat IF, the above are true (haven't verified myself, but I will)....then every one of the Rival casinos who follow this policy belong in the rogue pit, period. 200K, and they just keep it? How convenient for them that it was hit on a free chip, on the very day they decided to give out massive free chips to play JUST this one game.

This is precisely what I was harping on about in this thread (Post #39 and beyond):

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...casinos-4.html

The Vegas Regal rep Nicolas, had promised to ask Rival about the progressive issue, and report back. That was three weeks ago, and nary a peep since. I don't blame him, I wouldn't be surprised if the powers that be have told him to keep quiet. NONE of the Rival reps post much on here anymore, do they?

But of course, Rival have absolutely zero incentive to mend their ways, or change their policies as long as players continue to play there....and webmasters/affiliates happily promote them.

[RobWin]

Maybe this is just simply a marketing ploy by Irish Luck to gain attention to their casino and the lame ass way they conjured up this absurd promotion...I'm being sarcastic here, but this one really takes the cake!

I hope the Irish Luck Rep here is brave enough to step into this thread and explain this bullshite!

[NASHVEGAS]

This is precisely what I was harping on

Cheers and likewise I harped and harped,lol January 23,2009 ICE Post

Not in the Pit but buried under the Pit

[Pinababy69]

Cheers and likewise I harped and harped,lol January 23,2009 ICE Post

Not in the Pit but buried under the Pit

If there's anything deeper than under the Pit, I'd glady break ground.

I wanna see how many webmasters and affiliates continue to promote them, even after this. And how in any way they can equate these actions with a "reputable" casino?

[RobWin]

If there's anything deeper than under the Pit, I'd glady break ground.

I wanna see how many webmasters and affiliates continue to promote them, even after this. And how in any way they can equate these actions with a "reputable" casino?

Probably the same way that the webmasters continue to promote the "Playtech" branded casinos even after the way that Playtech has handled the "Sylvia 4 million dollar win". Playtech knowingly sent the funds to a rogue casino for them to handle the payout. This is no different that what the "Rival" casino "Irish Luck" has basically done with this promotion....think about it...

Also remember that thread regarding "Casino Club" a "Boss Media" software casino thread awhile back that still has not seen the winner payed out the progressive yet....I will dig it up...

[Pinababy69]

Probably the same way that the webmasters continue to promote the "Playtech" branded casinos even after the way that Playtech has handled the "Sylvia 4 million dollar win". Playtech knowingly sent the funds to a rogue casino for them to handle the payout. This is no different that what the "Rival" casino "Irish Luck" has basically done with this promotion....think about it...

I totally agree Rob, 100%. No need to think about it all.

So why do webmasters promote these places, and why do players continue to play there? Ahhh, same old story....it's only important if they're the ones getting screwed. As long as they get paid, to hell with the ones who don't. Not referring to you specifically Rob, just for the record, I'm generalizing (again).

So really, in the last five years....how far have we come in regards to fairness to the player? It almost seems to me like we've gone backwards in some ways. It's all sad, and it's even sadder that very few people give a shit.

[Nifty29]

It is ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING if Irish Luck have kept the balance of that progressive win.

Im not usually a conspiracy theorist, but it seems odd that the very day that Irish Luck hands out free spin on that slot it goes off. Now, given that the progressive is part of a proprietary software suite, who knows - maybe the casino can actually tell when the jackpot will go off..???

Even if the above isnt true, the casino should be rogued immediately for 2 reasons:

1. A max cashout was placed on a progressive slot only bonus - its obvious that the casino was hoping someone using this bonus would hit the jackpot as they get to keep almost all of it. This is rogue behaviour 101.

2. The casino will not pay out their progressive in a lump sum OR even in reasonable payments to ensure the player is fully paid as quickly as possible.

Also, what about the payout % of that slot?? If the casino keeps all that money, then it wasnt ACTUALLY returned to the player so it shouldnt count as being paid back at all, hence the % should reflect that.

I think its about time that players started to boycott casinos that will not pay out reasonable amounts or pay progessives in their lump sums (or close to). I also dont think it unreasonable for CM to at least consider altering his definition of rogue in regards to paying jackpots.

If I was someone who had been playing that slot in the past, I would be soooooo pissed right now.

[Pinababy69]

It is ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING if Irish Luck have kept the balance of that progressive win.

Im not usually a conspiracy theorist, but it seems odd that the very day that Irish Luck hands out free spin on that slot it goes off. Now, given that the progressive is part of a proprietary software suite, who knows - maybe the casino can actually tell when the jackpot will go off..???

Even if the above isnt true, the casino should be rogued immediately for 2 reasons:

1. A max cashout was placed on a progressive slot only bonus - its obvious that the casino was hoping someone using this bonus would hit the jackpot as they get to keep almost all of it. This is rogue behaviour 101.

2. The casino will not pay out their progressive in a lump sum OR even in reasonable payments to ensure the player is fully paid as quickly as possible.

Also, what about the payout % of that slot?? If the casino keeps all that money, then it wasnt ACTUALLY returned to the player so it shouldnt count as being paid back at all, hence the % should reflect that.

I think its about time that players started to boycott casinos that will not pay out reasonable amounts or pay progessives in their lump sums (or close to). I also dont think it unreasonable for CM to at least consider altering his definition of rogue in regards to paying jackpots.

If I was someone who had been playing that slot in the past, I would be soooooo pissed right now.

Yet no one but me seems to think that Rival may be having cash flow problems? Or is it just that wonderful trait of GREED?

I found a pic of the actual win...the guy's username on the forum is mikewalker. He seems quite happy that he will walk away with $375....and only one person in the thread has actually "caught on" to the fact that Irish Luck/Rival now get to keep this money, and it won't be put back into the pool. And they also commented on how very convenient it was for Irish Luck to run this particular promotion on the very day the JP was won. What a stroke of luck for them. I'm sorry, but this stinks to high heaven. I'm not a conspiracy theorist either, and I'm not quite ready to make the leap to rigged software....but man, this is just too bizarre a coincidence for my liking.

I wonder if Rival will have the BALLS to publicize the win and use this guy as a poster child? Much the same as Playtech did with Sylvia? I feel nauseous.

EDITED: Duh.....I somehow missed that Lookaway already posted the screenshot, lol. Sorry about that Lookaway, seems I missed your entire post.

[Pinababy69]

In searching posts on progressive wins, I came across this post by Bryan...which really stresses what Nifty already said.....about how unethical this whole thing is. Both with Rival and with Playtech. His post was in response to a previous situation being brought up about Casino Rewards and their lame attempt to pay a Major Millions winner 4K a week. That got corrected fairly quickly. Say what you want about MG.....but at least this kind of thievery doesn't go on.

This was it:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...nshot-win.html

I was mistaken, it was 4k a week not 2k. The problem with this is that the progressive funds are pooled and do not come from the casino itself. If the funds sit in a players account, the player will (in most cases) play these funds back into the casino - and these funds were never there to begin with. Do you follow me? It's 100% unethical.

I gave a heads up to MGS when this happened and as far as I know, the player was paid in full.

[winbig]

update -

Apparently Management is trying to figure out some sort of strategy for damage control...

Here is a copy of your recent chat with casino support.

General Info
Chat start time May 11, 2009 11:33:19 AM EST
Chat end time May 11, 2009 11:42:17 AM EST
Duration (actual chatting time) 00:08:58
Operator George

Chat Transcript
info: All operators are currently assisting others. Thanks for your patience. You are currently placed in queue number 1. The average wait is 36seconds. An operator will be with you shortly.
info: You are now chatting with 'George'
Brian: Hi George
George: Welcome to casino Live Chat. How may I help you?
George: One moment please.
Brian: ok
George: Welcome to casino Live Chat. How may I help you?
Brian: I had a question regarding the progressive jackpot win on one million reels, BC
Brian: I understand that a player from Irish Luck won this?
George: that promotion is no longer available the management of Iish luck has cancelled that promotion I'm sorry to inform you .
Brian: wait please
Brian: The issue I have is of the bonus offer you sent out that morning, in which you offered players $37.50 to play that slot...which had a maximum cashout of $375.
Brian: The player was playing on this bonus, and hit the progressive here at Irish Luck for over $215,000
Brian: Is the remaining money going to be returned to the progressive jackpot pool seeing as how they cannot cash out more than $375 of it?
Brian: if not, where is that money going to go to?
George: that promotion is no longer available the management of Iish luck has cancelled that promotion I'm sorry to inform you .
Brian: George
Brian: Please quit sending me a canned response and read my questions please
Brian: thank you
Brian: I know the promotion is not available
Brian: that's not the issue that I'm bringing up
Brian: I just want to know what's going to happen to the remaining $215,000 of the progressive jackpot that the player is not eligible to receive
Brian: because that should rightfully go back into the progressive jackpot pool
Brian: hello?
George: I cannot tell you that
George: that is something the management of irish luck will decide
Brian: can you put someone on that can?
Brian: or can you at least ask for me?
George: the management is currently really busy with this issue
George: they askfor your patience
Brian: Well, hopefully they do the right thing, because if not, I can guarantee you're going to lose a ton of players
Brian: people are irate over this
George: Thank you verymuch for understanding.
George: I do understand what you are saying.
Brian: thanks, have a good one...