List of RTG games That Were "Tweaked"

[silcnlayc]

Ok anyone...this is for informational purposes only. I know Green Light was changed late last year to reflect a lower payout during the bonus round (which the win was HALVED). Can anyone remember any other game RTG changed during the last few months (tweaked)? I know a few were done but Green Light was the only one that sticks in mind right now..

Thanks for the help!


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[RobWin]

Ok anyone...this is for informational purposes only. I know Green Light was changed late last year to reflect a lower payout during the bonus round (which the win was HALVED). Can anyone remember any other game RTG changed during the last few months (tweaked)? I know a few were done but Green Light was the only one that sticks in mind right now..

Thanks for the help!


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How do you know that for sure ??

 

[silcnlayc]

How do you know that for sure ??

Rob, I wouldn't say this lightly..I know because I played it for the longest time and ALWAYS got paid DOUBLE during the second bonus round playing the same coinage and hitting the same bonus rounds.

If you came in third you would win a certain SET amount each and every time on the second round..then one day..you hit the same bonus round, with the same money bet and you got half of the win you got 15 times before the change on all bonus rounds.

If you won $20 on the earlier version the new payout was $10, etc etc...it is not my imagination, it was done and I know I wasn't the only one that noticed this.

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[RobWin]

Rob, I wouldn't say this lightly..I know because I played it for the longest time and ALWAYS got paid DOUBLE during the second bonus round playing the same coinage and hitting the same bonus rounds.

If you came in third you would win a certain SET amount each and every time on the second round..then one day..you hit the same bonus round, with the same money bet and you got half of the win you got 15 times before the change on all bonus rounds.

If you won $20 on the earlier version the new payout was $10, etc etc...it is not my imagination, it was done and I know I wasn't the only one that noticed this.

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Yes, I understand where you are coming from on your thoughts there because I have noticed the payouts to be lower also...I just thought that you may have some inside knowledge on this though, but I'm not doubting you since I have experienced the same thing during the bonus round.

 

[XOXOXOXOXOX]

my understanding its was some sort of calculation error before and it was fixed according to the paytable.
It was explained here Link Outdated / Removed

don't know how to create fancy links.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/green-light-rtg.28633/

 

[LaurieJim]

Maybe a brave R.T.G Rep will post on this as i for one would like to know if this is true or not and if so what other games were (hate to say tweaked) modified also........if any?.....................laurie

 

[silcnlayc]

Maybe a brave R.T.G Rep will post on this as i for one would like to know if this is true or not and if so what other games were (hate to say tweaked) modified also........if any?.....................laurie

Thanks for the chuckle laurie... over the tweaking word, I needed that...but I don't think any of them will own up to this .Found this by VWM:

Originally Posted by vinylweatherman
The effect of this change would be to lower the RTP of the game. We know RTG can do this, so maybe this is how a lowering of the setting is done in Green Light - bit too obvious though, surely it would have been better (sneakier) to mess with the reel strips as seems the case with most of the other slots.

The reason I was asking is because I was pretty much told a bald face lie....and I was angry especially since it involved an accredited casino. That burns my butt to no end...and makes them look all the more guilty and unworthy of anyones play IMO!

> ME:Thank you for your quick response. Not that it was expected, but that is
> ok too. The first slot that was "tweaked" was Green Light. EVERYONE
> noticed that. Check your records and you will see sometime late last year
> when you hit a bonus round you would get a certain amount, that was
> HALVED after the "tweaking" which you might call updating I guess,
> Please do not try to deny that because then you and both would I know it
> would be a lie and that wouldn't look good at all.
>
> We all know any changes to a games payout IS TWEAKING not updating, and
> there were a few more that we also changed, but off the top of my head I
> cannot put my finger on it...but I will..

THEM: Dear XXXX
I will and must deny your claims as they are not correct
The games are exactly the same as they have always been. No settings or
anything else about them have been changed since they were launched.

Just really burns me to be called a liar when I KNOW they were changed and thats why I needed to ask others if they also felt this and experienced this change that they claim they didn't do. If it was indeed a correction to the pay table why not own up to that instead of saying NOTHING has changed, that would be acceptable but to out and out say that everything is the same??

I guess I might be overly sensitive since the last 20-25 deposits to this said casino seemed to give an average of 5-10 minutes of play per deposit if that much in my eyes...so I was trying to make them aware of the changes being very obvious....but I guess they didn't want or like hearing that it was noticed.

I guess it's time to move on again...sure wish Barney Frank would hurry up and make these places be above board on their casinos...and make them tow the line soon!

 

[AussieDave]

sure wish Barney Frank would hurry up and make these places be above board on their casinos...and make them tow the line soon!

Excuse my ignorance but who or what is Barney Frank?

Cheers
T

 

[KasinoKing]

Excuse my ignorance but who or what is Barney Frank?
Cheers
T

You gotta be kidding me!

 

[BingoT]

Excuse my ignorance but who or what is Barney Frank?
Cheers
T

It's that guy that thinks he's Superman
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[daera]

Excuse my ignorance but who or what is Barney Frank?

Cheers
T

Try searching Barney Frank here at Casinomeisters:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/search/

 

[catrina m]

I guess I might be overly sensitive since the last 20-25 deposits to this said casino seemed to give an average of 5-10 minutes of play per deposit if that much in my eyes...

I can take a guess and i may be right.

 

[silcnlayc]

I can take a guess and i may be right.

Well don't keep us all in the dark .....why post anything if you are going to keep it to yourself?? Geezes....miss seeing your name maybe?

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[catrina m]

Your the one who knows where your talking about.

Why don't you enlighten us?

 

[slotplayer]

although I never played RTG with real money I experienced the same thing with MG slots so I stopped playing. I'm not sure what the exact cause is but the end result is the same, little or no satisfaction.

 

[bb28]

Tweaked?? Do you mean the payout table was changed? If so do you have proof of this?

 

[catrina m]

Geezes....miss seeing your name maybe?

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Now I miss seeing your name to tell us who it is your discussing.

 

[LaurieJim]

Well someone tell geeze spill your guts , nobody's looking or should i take a stab at it (((humm))) ? Clubworld, Inetbet, One of Louises casinos, Jackpot Capital, that pretty much narrows it down, so speak now or forever hold your peace....................laurie

 

[DogBoy001]

Ok anyone...this is for informational purposes only. I know Green Light was changed late last year to reflect a lower payout during the bonus round (which the win was HALVED). Can anyone remember any other game RTG changed during the last few months (tweaked)? I know a few were done but Green Light was the only one that sticks in mind right now..

Thanks for the help!


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Heya,

No games have been "tweaked", but an error in Green Light was fixed a short time back (and was noted previously on the forum).

The paytable information always indicated what the prize should have been, but due to an error the game was paying double the prize when getting to the 2nd race.

Woooof

 

[AussieDave]

You gotta be kidding me!

No I'm not.

edit: Oh a US poli...don't live there doesn't concern me.

Cheers
T

 

[4 of a kind]

If RTG tweaked their games, does that mean all casinos that use RTG software come into play? Or is it selective?

 

[same_old]

What has been weighing on my mind is, if a place like Absolute Poker can have super users accounts that did go un noticed for a period of time, T.V personalities that were backing the place etc, then due to some sluething by a few brainy players they found out the software or what ever was rigged.

How can we not know for sure that casino's dont tweak the software in the same manner ( i know it was a seperate incident but making a point) , the only evidence we can have is the stats and I mean if you get low stats all that boils down to is just that, bad stats??

How can you REALLY tell if you are getting a fair game or not, you need a lot of hands played/ spins played etc to determine, I know wizard of odds outed a casino a few years ago for this behaivour so what's to say it has stopped at that??.

The article that xoxoxox posted, why would you automatically just brush off what the poster was saying. I bet this happend to the peolpe in the popker scandal, they would have been screaming from the hills that something was fishy and noone would have cared and thought they were sad losers, then look what happend.

I know online casino's dont have as much float as a B&M casino would so all it would take is (1) person to win big and that would make the casino go bust, would you put control measures in place to make sure this didnt happen???

 

[KasinoKing]

If RTG tweaked their games, does that mean all casinos that use RTG software come into play? Or is it selective?

All RTG casinos.

KK

 

[winbig]

I know online casino's dont have as much float as a B&M casino would so all it would take is (1) person to win big and that would make the casino go bust, would you put control measures in place to make sure this didnt happen???

Those controls are in place already.....in the case with under-funded casinos, it's either called playing the "bonus abuse" or "bot play" card in order to not pay the player. Of course there are reputable RTG casinos out there that will always pay a legitimate player, no matter how much they've won....but the reputable ones aren't under-funded..

In RTG's case, there's pretty much no recourse for the player, seeing as how there's no (reputable/reliable) *official* mediation system in place. 99% of the time, Kahnawake will side with the casino/poker room. If you'll remember, UB was only given a slap on the wrist the first time the super-user account scandal was uncovered. Stiffer penalties were given out only because players kept pressing the issue, and there was a ton of evidence which proved that they were being cheated.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Those controls are in place already.....in the case with under-funded casinos, it's either called playing the "bonus abuse" or "bot play" card in order to not pay the player. Of course there are reputable RTG casinos out there that will always pay a legitimate player, no matter how much they've won....but the reputable ones aren't under-funded..

In RTG's case, there's pretty much no recourse for the player, seeing as how there's no (reputable/reliable) *official* mediation system in place. 99% of the time, Kahnawake will side with the casino/poker room. If you'll remember, UB was only given a slap on the wrist the first time the super-user account scandal was uncovered. Stiffer penalties were given out only because players kept pressing the issue, and there was a ton of evidence which proved that they were being cheated.

Many have also tried the pitifully small monthly payment schedule approach. Far better than simply not paying, since it allows them to give the appearance of paying, whilst using the extended schedule to keep their float big enough to cover payments to the other players.
Many rogue casinos have made the payments for a few months, and then backtracked, perhaps cutting the payments, or adding extra rules. It is virtually impossible to pull "bonus abuse" out of their a**** if a player has simply managed to get lucky on slots, or when they didn't take a bonus - this hasn't stopped one or two trying though

 

[XOXOXOXOXOX]

What really bothers me about RTG casinos is why they don't provide access to play-logs?? Microgaming, Playtech, Rival all have it and its not that difficult or expensive to implement imo.
Couple of times i requested logs from reputable casinos but had received none.
Seems like they have something to hide....
I like their games and I still play just because I am more lucky with them in general but this does not add to their credibility.

 

[winbig]

It is virtually impossible to pull "bonus abuse" out of their a**** if a player has simply managed to get lucky on slots, or when they didn't take a bonus - this hasn't stopped one or two trying though

That reminds me....I almost forgot about the total bonuses/deposits ratio being too high....

 

[vinylweatherman]

That reminds me....I almost forgot about the total bonuses/deposits ratio being too high....

Oh yes! Palace of Fat Chance vs Mystic - a classic, and one of the "one or two" that actually managed to pull "bonus abuse" on a player who "got lucky on the slots and took no bonus".

Turned over a new leaf now, or so they claim. FAT CHANCE!

 

[Rusty]

Here is a question.
Why do the reels spin slowly at some RTG casinos?
The Ones that I know of also coincidently have terrible returns.
I played at One such Casino to try the new slots.
I don't know about old slots being tweaked but I do know that T-Rex is the biggest turd since King Kong's last dump.
Then again maybe I am describing the Casino.
around a Thousand spins, Two features both awarding the absolute minimum 6 Free spins, the first paying $2.10 off 45c and the second 80c off 45c bet.
You cant get much worse than that.
Probably better that way though because it keeps me away from RTG.

BTW was it always the case that Ronin 5 free games feature could only retrigger Once?