Ludicrous rule at All Star Slots!

[KasinoKing]

Now don't get me wrong - I really like this place, but look what I spotted in their banking T&C's:-

Withdrawing is only possible for those who have played for real money at All Star Slots and have wagered their deposits at least by 1x.
Fair enough.

If you have not wagered fully your deposits by at least 1x, All Star Slots reserves the right to place a charge or even restrict a withdrawal.
Yep - that's understandable.

Players from Scandinavian countries (Norway, Finland, Sweden, Iceland and Denmark) are not eligible for any bonuses upon their deposits and have to wager 50x their first deposit to be eligible for a withdrawal.
WHAT????

You are having a blinking laugh, aren't you?
So "evil bonus abusing Scandinavians" can deposit & play at your casino without getting any bonuses, but STILL have to complete Dx50 WR...

Sorry, but that is the most ridiculous rule I have ever read.
Why not just say they can't play at your casino at all?

KK (Racism sucks!)

[kmay87]

Perhaps they are hoping such people won't notice this term.......

Although if that only applies to the first deposit, excluding how unethical it may be, perhaps the casino wants to separate the abusers from the honest players. Someone who is prepared to lose their deposit and play again will become more of a loyal player.

But still, it doesn't really seem fair. Will be interesting to hear what the rep has to say.

[Rusty]

Wow that is probably the most evil T&C ever
Hey Scandinavians hope you like being shafted

Good spot KK as you say it would be fine if they decided they did not want certain members at their Casino but to have such an unreasonable and prejudice rule buried in their T&C's just make them look draconian and backward.

PS

I have just noticed they have only just updated that as a T&C so no doubt it is a knee jerk reaction to Scandinavian bonus abusers.
Why they have gone this route instead of just not accepting Scandinavians I do not know. (revenge probably) but only the innocent players will suffer.


This T&C is not great either though;

5.3 CASH OUT:
You can always cash out your money from your account by using one of the methods described in our Cash-out/Withdraw section. The casino management reserves the right to pay withdraw requests exceeding $3000 in instalments.

People deposit more than that at Casinos!

[KasinoKing]

Perhaps they are hoping such people won't notice this term.......

Although if that only applies to the first deposit, excluding how unethical it may be, perhaps the casino wants to separate the abusers from the honest players. Someone who is prepared to lose their deposit and play again will become more of a loyal player.

I think you might have missed a thing or two:-

a) How can anyone abuse a deposit which does not have a bonus?

b) It does not say the WR is cleared if the player busts out. Looks to me like the WR carries forward to subsequent deposits...

Crazy!

[kmay87]

I think you might have missed a thing or two:-

a) How can anyone abuse a deposit which does not have a bonus?

b) It does not say the WR is cleared if the player busts out. Looks to me like the WR carries forward to subsequent deposits...

Crazy!

Seriously? If that's the case, it basically means they will never cash out, which like you rightly said, why not just forbid them from playing altogether.

My comment was worded as such because if Scandinavians are really that bad when it comes to bonus abuse (I never knew of that) then as a whole they have a bad rep. So by the casino witnessing some Scandinavians who are prepared to play 'in the correct way' they could lose that negative rep.

[Pinababy69]

Players from Scandinavian countries (Norway, Finland, Sweden, Iceland and Denmark) are not eligible for any bonuses upon their deposits and have to wager 50x their first deposit to be eligible for a withdrawal.
WHAT????

You are having a blinking laugh, aren't you?
So "evil bonus abusing Scandinavians" can deposit & play at your casino without getting any bonuses, but STILL have to complete Dx50 WR...

Sorry, but that is the most ridiculous rule I have ever read.
Why not just say they can't play at your casino at all?

KK (Racism sucks!)

Absolutely unfreaking real KK!!! You also have to wonder if they may just "slip" in a few other countries as time goes on. Good spot.

b) It does not say the WR is cleared if the player busts out. Looks to me like the WR carries forward to subsequent deposits...

Crazy!

We must think alike, because I was thinking the exact same thing. If true, and you deposit $50 your first time....you would NEVER be eligible for a withdrawal until you have wagered a total of $2500.

Between this thread....and the one about GoWild deciding to keep progressive jackpots for themselves (and only pay them out 5K a month) and apparently Rival as well....I seriously have to wonder how hard up are these casinos today? Have things gotten that bad that they are resorting to these types of measures to make money?

Which brings me back to what I have always said.....nothing wrong with making an honest buck, with the emphasis on honest. All of this is sneaky, underhanded and downright unethical.

[silcnlayc]

Ok, , just wondering why one should care if they are not Players from Scandinavian countries (Norway, Finland, Sweden, Iceland and Denmark)? It does not affect any other players...the only thing I would be concerned about would be casino management reserves the right to pay withdraw requests exceeding $3000 in instalments.

Just wondering what the big deal is since it is the casinos right to place any T&C's they want in their language of play for players. All casinos do it...if one does not like the T&C's just don't play there is the way I look at it..I guess...no? Yes?


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[vinylweatherman]

Absolutely unfreaking real KK!!! You also have to wonder if they may just "slip" in a few other countries as time goes on. Good spot.



We must think alike, because I was thinking the exact same thing. If true, and you deposit $50 your first time....you would NEVER be eligible for a withdrawal until you have wagered a total of $2500.

Between this thread....and the one about GoWild deciding to keep progressive jackpots for themselves (and only pay them out 5K a month) and apparently Rival as well....I seriously have to wonder how hard up are these casinos today? Have things gotten that bad that they are resorting to these types of measures to make money?

Which brings me back to what I have always said.....nothing wrong with making an honest buck, with the emphasis on honest. All of this is sneaky, underhanded and downright unethical.

The current crisis is all about liquidity (rather, the lack of it). Businesses simply CANNOT use traditional forms of borrowing for their operating "float". A recent TV program showed that BIG businesses were telling their smaller suppliers that they would take far longer to pay their bills. This is evidence that these businessess are using delayed payments as a replacement for the normal forms of borrowings to provide their operating "float" that they can no longer get.
There is no reason to assume casinos to be unique in the business world in NOT trying this.

The Scandinavian issue is worse though, they have suffered from PAST players "abusing bonuses", but are recovering the losses from NEW and INNOCENT Scandinavian players, which is unethical.

Scandinavians CANNOT abuse an UNBONUSED first deposit IF THE GAMES ARE FAIR. Such a rule makes sense only IF it is possible to "abuse" WITHOUT bonuses, and this is a pretty damaging position for this casino to imply through this term. Is there something about this software that these Scandinavians have found out that makes this possible (it's happened before with other software ).

[Pinababy69]

Ok, , just wondering why one should care if they are not Players from Scandinavian countries (Norway, Finland, Sweden, Iceland and Denmark)? It does not affect any other players...the only thing I would be concerned about would be casino management reserves the right to pay withdraw requests exceeding $3000 in instalments.

Just wondering what the big deal is since it is the casinos right to place any T&C's they want in their language of play for players. All casinos do it...if one does not like the T&C's just don't play there is the way I look at it..I guess...no? Yes?

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I'm sure you're not alone in your thinking Silc....but IMO, that is a big part of what is wrong with this industry. People just don't get concerned enough about ALL issues like this, if it doesn't concern them directly. It's no different than someone who plays at a Virtual shit hole, and then says "well, they always pay me". In other words, doesn't matter if others are getting screwed over, as long as number one is looked after.

I bitch and moan all the time about unscrupulous affiliates and webmasters who promote rogue casinos. But, players who don't take a pro-active role in assuring that there is a level playing field for ALL....are just as much a part of the problem.

People would be well served to remember that quote "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing". Maybe a bit over the top, but I'm sure my meaning comes through.

[jetset]

Just when you thought you had seen everything bad management can do in this business, along comes another example like this Scandinavian "none bonus" rule.

First time I've ever heard of an online casino requiring a wagerthrough when no bonus has been offered or taken...it's just crazy.

I'm not too impressed with the paying amounts over $3K in instalments rule, either - what are these guys doing - operating on a shoestring?

I realise that this is an operator fault, but in Wizard Gaming's shoes I think I would have to offer this licensee a little CRM guidance.