Criminals at Hot Pepper

**casinopotato** · 20th January 2009, 12:47 AM

I too have not been paid my affiliate payments dating about 6 months back and have placed them in the Thieves category of my site. I think they should still be rouged even if they've gone bust. This might save players down the road should the Hot Pepper owners decide to open another casino.

In my opinion, they definitely knew that they were going bust towards the end and decided to rake in as many deposits as possible before word got around. Now, having learned lessons in the online casino business, they will probably just open a new casino in a different name and leave behind a horde of people cheated out of their winnings/affiliate earnings. If at some point someone decides to make a database of rogue casino owners, we will be more easily able to flag a casino based on the owners. This method is obviously far from foolproof but perhaps it will cut down the number of "bad guys."

**Eliot Jacobson** · 20th January 2009, 01:06 AM

Originally Posted by winbig

So it's not roguish to go bust, but yet to redirect players to other casinos? ...and get paid for it, but yet not pay players what's rightfully due? It looks to me as if they've set up an affiliate account with both of these casinos...cause I seriously doubt they'd be redirecting potential/existing players to other casinos out of the kindness of their heart.

Players are not the only ones who are "rightfully due." Affiliates lost, vendors lost. Businesses often go bankrupt then reorganize under new management or a new name. That seems to be a daily way of life in the USA right now. I don't use this as evidence of malfeasance. Much more likely, it's incompetence.

I'm going to let this be my parting comment on this thread.

Best regards,

Eliot

**winbig** · 20th January 2009, 01:15 AM

Originally Posted by Eliot Jacobson

Players are not the only ones who are "rightfully due." Affiliates lost, vendors lost. Businesses often go bankrupt then reorganize under new management or a new name. That seems to be a daily way of life in the USA right now. I don't use this as evidence of malfeasance. Much more likely, it's incompetence.

I'm going to let this be my parting comment on this thread.

Best regards,

Eliot

Yep, everybody that's had dealings with HP casino has lost. Putting them on a rogue list is now a moot point since existing and potential players cannot play at HP anymore.

But, I would love to find out what relationship HP has with Cherry Red and Sun Palace. They can't pay players/affiliates/etc, but yet they'll go on to pocket money received via affiliate payments/contract from those two casinos?

**Casinomeister** · 20th January 2009, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by winbig

...But, I would love to find out what relationship HP has with Cherry Red and Sun Palace. They can't pay players/affiliates/etc, but yet they'll go on to pocket money received via affiliate payments/contract from those two casinos?

Looks like aff links to me.

What else are you going to do with a dead website?

It's a shame this wasn't brought up earlier. There are a number of affiliates here who could have PABd or at least started this thread of non-payment when it first happened. You could have saved some others some grief.

They're in the Rogue Pit as of today. But it's a little late, no?

**winbig** · 20th January 2009, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by Casinomeister

Looks like aff links to me.

What else are you going to do with a dead website?

I hope that was sarcasm

Do you honestly think that they're going to pay affiliates/players from their earnings at Cherry Red or whatever casino affiliate links they've posted on their site? Of course not. It's going to line their pockets.

**KasinoKing** · 20th January 2009, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by winbig

Do you honestly think that they're going to pay affiliates/players from their earnings at Cherry Red or whatever casino affiliate links they've posted on their site? Of course not. It's going to line their pockets.

Of course they're not going to pay anyone!
They are obviously just trying to grab a bit more income from players they have already screwed! That's great isn't it; the players get screwed twice by the same thieves, and not even a little kiss!

KK

**Casinomeister** · 20th January 2009, 12:31 PM

Stupid question: has anyone (affiliates) gotten a hold of Casino Coins? What did they say?

**bevykay** · 20th January 2009, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by casinopotato

I too have not been paid my affiliate payments dating about 6 months back and have placed them in the Thieves category of my site. I think they should still be rouged even if they've gone bust. This might save players down the road should the Hot Pepper owners decide to open another casino.

In my opinion, they definitely knew that they were going bust towards the end and decided to rake in as many deposits as possible before word got around. Now, having learned lessons in the online casino business, they will probably just open a new casino in a different name and leave behind a horde of people cheated out of their winnings/affiliate earnings. If at some point someone decides to make a database of rogue casino owners, we will be more easily able to flag a casino based on the owners. This method is obviously far from foolproof but perhaps it will cut down the number of "bad guys."

I wholeheartedly agree, we need to start tracking the rogue (or incompetent) individuals.

**YuraK** · 25th January 2009, 08:54 PM

What's the reason to rogue closed casino?

Russian version of Hot Pepper worked in December (at least I could login), but even .ru site don't work now.
AFAIK hetmancasino.com belongs (or belonged) to the same group.

**casinobonusguy** · 26th January 2009, 05:08 AM

Originally Posted by Casinomeister

Stupid question: has anyone (affiliates) gotten a hold of Casino Coins? What did they say?

I am owed money from them as an affiliate.I sent an email to vegas technology about my unpaid commissions about two months ago that has never been answered.I never thought to speak to casino coins though .