issuing a challenge to 32red/mg

[patrina]

Hi Alex,
Just wondering if you've actually seen my post in your other thread?
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...tml#post268663
It's a virtually guaranteed way to make £200/month, if you have the will power.

Having said that & having read most of your other posts, maybe a new hobby would be a better idea...

KK

KK? C'mon man, that is just an abrupt and uneccessary comment, no? Why should Alex change her hobby? (as you called it) I guess that would be the easiest way of hushing the situation eh? Just make Alex feel as if she is "overreacting" To make Alex feel or look like she is distressed because she may have had a run of bad luck or that she is a disgruntled player is not only unethical it is insulting her integrity, imo. She has a very valid concern and although some may see her comments as that of a bad sport, so to speak, is wrong, dead wrong imo. I feel the same way Alex does and I am not a disgruntled player or whatever you might want to call it. I am genuinely concerned that we make deposits and lose, lose, lose, lose, I know you cant win all the time, I know sometimes your going to make a deposit (and maybe several times this will hapen) and it's going to go fast, but how much do you think one person would have to put in one particular game in order to hit the biggest feature or payout? I play the same game (mostly) again and again. (Jellyfish jaunt) Only at one casino did I ever get the 5 jellyfish girls. I mean, I am talking about thousands and thousands of dollars. Just like the ole days when I went to a land based casino and played the 7's. Sometimes I could hit the triple 7's right away, and sometimes it would take hundreds of credits to hit, but it "would" eventually hit. So, with this in mind shouldn't a video slot do the same thing? Is it a different scenario? I dont know. Hushing the situation wont make it go away. I will say that 32 red and Dash have done best by me, but lately, it's been "really" bad no matter where I play. Except for the free spins promo where I got up to $200 the other day, I have made app. $2000 in deposits and haven't had a win. That is just one casino. And not anyone in particular as this is my typical play at all MG casinos. And, this is not only me, this isn't just "my run of bad luck" the same thing has been happening to my Mom and also several of my friends. How could it be that all 10 of us have had the same thing happening to us at once? Could we all be having a bad run? Could we all be "playing wrong?" I dont think so. I am not crying "rigged" I am not pointing fingers, as I said, 32 Red and Dash have been exceptions and it's not their fault I didn't cash out when I should have, but why oh why? Can I not get over $200? Yes, I'll switch the games, yes I have tried other games for longer spells, yes I have changed the bet. I dont understand. After a player makes that many deposits, does the game not recognize this and pay!? Eventually? Or is it that it doesn't matter how much you deposit? Is it true that in some instances, you can deposit till the cows come home but your not gonna hit? No matter what? I have addressed this issue with a casino and I was told two things, firstly one rep told me "the longer you play a game the better" and this one from a manager, (after emailing a concern about the fact that I didn't cash out at $800) "I would have to rewager 'that much' in order for the game to pay again." So, which is it? As players we want to know all this. And we have the right. We are gamblers, we want to win as well as be able to play for a while.
So please then can you explain "what gives?"
Patrina

[Rusty]

By the way I hope this does not turn into a witch hunt on 32Red because although I do not play there from reading various posts they are as good a MG casino as your are likely to find.

Alex started this thread and She should continue to take issue with 32Red as She sees fit and I apologise for any derail in making it a more general discussion on MG software.

[patrina]

By the way I hope this does not turn into a witch hunt on 32Red because although I do not play there from reading various posts they are as good a MG casino as your are likely to find.

Alex started this thread and She should continue to take issue with 32Red as She sees fit and I apologise for any derail in making it a more general discussion on MG software.

Yes indeed, the exception. I have to add to your post that they have been very good to me, even the other day with the free spins promo, they didn't even have to give it to me, as I wasn't aware I was entitled to this offer, but they did anyway, and no, it wasn't the first time they have done good by me and I know they have done the same thing with other players as well. They show appreciation for your loyalty and it must be recognized. But, my concerns are still very much alive, and that is directed at the software itself, not the casino, as I have expressed in my other post (above)
Patrina

[hippo925]

By the way I hope this does not turn into a witch hunt on 32Red because although I do not play there from reading various posts they are as good a MG casino as your are likely to find.

Alex started this thread and She should continue to take issue with 32Red as She sees fit and I apologise for any derail in making it a more general discussion on MG software.

i've only ever heard great things about 32red so i actually thought the relevant issue was more with how the software plays versus an individual casino.

I don't know how mg software plays now... i haven't played it in quite a while. I can, however, assure you that for me, the software played very differently and prompted me to stop all mg's altogether a while back.

I figure there must be something to all this since it is cleary not just a few disgruntled players who hit some bad streaks. I mean, there are some pretty intelligent and seasoned players who have made interesting observations, no?

[Rusty]

I think what you are describing is an AWP slot Patrina which MG (other than some new AWP additions) are not supposed to be.

In a truly random slot it is theoretically possible to spin forever without a win or to hit the jackpot several times running.
Of course in reality these events are so unlikely as to be practically impossible.

However I personally am convinced that online slots, any software, are not completely random with an equal probability of all outcomes being achieved at all times.

[Pinababy69]

Low roll on slots and play for entertainment only.

And that is the best advice there is. It is supposed to be entertainment and nothing more than that. If you get no enjoyment out of it, or really believe you are not getting a fair game, then a break from playing is probably a good idea. And especially if it is upsetting to you....that's not what gambling is supposed to be about.

I still don't understand how so many are convinced that the MG software has changed, and have such horrid experiences. Yet, others (such as KK and myself) find no differences? And Alex, like I said, I'm not at all discounting your recent experiences...if you say it's been that horrid, then I believe you. I'm just wondering why many of us seem to have such different experiences, and why our perception of the games/software seems at such odds with each other? Is it style of play, or bet size..or maybe the games played?

I really just don't even know what to say. I trust the MG software, always have. And have NEVER once felt that I wasn't receiving a fair game. Whether it's 32Red or not, is irrelevant to me, as the software is the same whichever casino you play. I play 32Red specifically, because of the way they treat their customers. But the game I get there is the same game I would get at any MG casino.

[patrina]

And that is the best advice there is. It is supposed to be entertainment and nothing more than that. If you get no enjoyment out of it, or really believe you are not getting a fair game, then a break from playing is probably a good idea. And especially if it is upsetting to you....that's not what gambling is supposed to be about.

I still don't understand how so many are convinced that the MG software has changed, and have such horrid experiences. Yet, others (such as KK and myself) find no differences? And Alex, like I said, I'm not at all discounting your recent experiences...if you say it's been that horrid, then I believe you. I'm just wondering why many of us seem to have such different experiences, and why our perception of the games/software seems at such odds with each other? Is it style of play, or bet size..or maybe the games played?

I really just don't even know what to say. I trust the MG software, always have. And have NEVER once felt that I wasn't receiving a fair game. Whether it's 32Red or not, is irrelevant to me, as the software is the same whichever casino you play. I play 32Red specifically, because of the way they treat their customers. But the game I get there is the same game I would get at any MG casino.

I have actually 'taken the break" now. As it was starting to upset me and as a stable person know that it is time to chill for a bit if it's getting to me. But, again I dont understand "exactly" how it all works and I have questions. And, when I was "always" fairing well except for here and there, I too, didn't see the biggie. Until it happens to you I guess it would be hard to get.
Patrina

[patrina]

Btw, as well Alex, I played the game "break da bank, again!" too, once. Changed my mind real quick after that one time. In one casino, (can't remember which one) they even advertise this game for high rollers (or high variance players, whatever you want to call it?) anyway, I had a heck of it with that one. Now the "only" time I will pull a spin is if I'm down to .09 or .18 cause (that I know of) it's the only one that you can spin with those cents, unless you want to lower your spins, of course. Have you tried other games or do you stick to this one?
Patrina

[silcnlayc]

Pinababy69: Yet, others (such as KK and myself) find no differences?

You're a genius! I just had a lightbulb moment when reading your post and it seems that most low rollers such as yourself and KK don't feel any differences whereas others that play midrange and up are screaming changes have been made...

Well, lets think on this a moment..lowrollers play for hours upon hours and either win a "little" or lose a "little". They pretty much do not make an impact on a casinos bottom line unlike the midrange to high rollers. This then is where it gets touchy..if some of you low rollers started upping the bet and keeping it there for long term...I guarantee you would see the casino playing differently as we do that stay consistantly at the level we are comfortable with..

I believe you found the key to this issue!

So now we need you low rollers to go play for a week at the midlevel rang ($1-5 a spin) and let us know if it still plays as if you were lowrolling


See if the casinos will front you some real "fun" money in real mode to disprove this...

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[patrina]

You're a genius! I just had a lightbulb moment when reading your post and it seems that most low rollers such as yourself and KK don't feel any differences whereas others that play midrange and up are screaming changes have been made...

Well, lets think on this a moment..lowrollers play for hours upon hours and either win a "little" or lose a "little". They pretty much do not make an impact on a casinos bottom line unlike the midrange to high rollers. This then is where it gets touchy..if some of you low rollers started upping the bet and keeping it there for long term...I guarantee you would see the casino playing differently as we do that stay consistantly at the level we are comfortable with..

I believe you found the key to this issue!

So now we need you low rollers to go lay for a weel at the midlevel rang ($1-55 a spin) and let us know if it still plays as if you were lowrolling


.

I usually play $1, at full lines. Except for jellyfish j, where I play .75 sometimes I will play .80 or .90 but it's always in that range. Does anyone know.... does the payout change when you change your bet? I am asking this in sincere honesty that I actually dont know, so if this seems like I am asking this with the knowledge that it is fixed, with regards to the bet size, I'm not. These are the things we want to know.