issuing a challenge to 32red/mg

[patrina]

to 32red ..ok lets be honest here we see thread after thread people lik e myself complaining about the seriously bad payout % at MG casinos...now tonight yet again i deposit and lose..over 700 spins hit 1 bonus round for £2.50 a complete and utter joke ..i dare Pat or someone from 32red to come on here and defend MG casinos....my question to MG rep is this ............WHY THE DISGRACEFUL PAYOUT %? YOU are more than welcome to talk about my account pat or whoever i give you my express permission...hundreds and hundreds of £s inc bonuses have gone through this with £0 profit which i can assure you is NOT a fair game...tonight without gambling wins my latest deposit would have gone in 30 mins .....for casinomeister this one and yeah youy may ban me but..WHY apart from the fact they have goodcs is 32red/mg not investigated for dodg7y software??..we have several people on here complaiing thqat the MG is as tight as its ever been so why not on the not recommended list?? if this was an RTG it would have been there weeks ago...sorry but theres something way way wrong there..i await pats or mgsresponse ..no doubt ill get the ahhh butyou got 80+% yet it took me just over 2 hours to lose the ;latest dep...cmon MG over to you...

Hey Alexis, It's funny as I was thinking the other day about starting thread and asking about players, and their payout percentages etc. to try and find which casinos really do pay out the highest percentage. I have to say, I am pretty much done with MG. Like you, my situation is very similiar, but I have to be honest about one thing. I did play at Dash, the free spins promo? And did do pretty good with it, played for 2 days but couldn't get over $200. The second day I pretty much stayed at that amount, going from $100 - $200 and then should of cashed out cause once I didn't I just went down and lost it all. I too, feel as if I should of won something half decent with the amount of deposits I have played. I asked a little while ago if the payouts had changed? It's not the same as before when I used to win all the time. And get to play for a long time on my deposit. Does anyone know? Have the payouts changed?
Patrina

[aka23]

to 32red ..ok lets be honest here we see thread after thread people lik e myself complaining about the seriously bad payout % at MG casinos...now tonight yet again i deposit and lose..over 700 spins hit 1 bonus round for £2.50 a complete and utter joke ..i dare Pat or someone from 32red to come on here and defend MG casinos....my question to MG rep is this ............WHY THE DISGRACEFUL PAYOUT %?
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That's the nature of slots. A good portion of the overall payout % is often in the rare, big wins. Your payout is expected to be low and well below the listed payout, unless you get one of the rare, big wins. And if you one of the huge wins much earlier than one would expect based on your # of spins, then your payout will be far above the listed payout. The chance of this huge payout and being far above the listed payout is an important part of what makes the game interesting.

If you want to achieve a result closer to the listed payout, then I'd recommend choosing a different game... one without big wins. Blackjack (without a side bet), baccarat, and craps are good examples.

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Morning Alexishot,

I'll certainly take care of the 32Red side of things; if you can give me a little while to get the necessary information together then I'll pop it through to you via email.
I 'll leave the decision with you as to using any of the personal account information, that I send through, in the public domain.

Cheers for now
Pat

to 32red ..i dare Pat or someone from 32red to come on here and defend MG casinos....my question to MG rep is this ............WHY THE DISGRACEFUL PAYOUT %? YOU are more than welcome to talk about my account pat or whoever i give you my express permission...hundreds and hundreds of £s inc bonuses have gone through this with £0 profit which i can assure you is NOT a fair game...tonight without gambling wins my latest deposit would have gone in 30 mins .....for casinomeister this one and yeah youy may ban me but..WHY apart from the fact they have goodcs is 32red/mg not investigated for dodg7y software??.....

[Alexishot69]

That's the nature of slots. A good portion of the overall payout % is often in the rare, big wins. Your payout is expected to be low and well below the listed payout, unless you get one of the rare, big wins. And if you one of the huge wins much earlier than one would expect based on your # of spins, then your payout will be far above the listed payout. The chance of this huge payout and being far above the listed payout is an important part of what makes the game interesting.

If you want to achieve a result closer to the listed payout, then I'd recommend choosing a different game... one without big wins. Blackjack (without a side bet), baccarat, and craps are good examples.

aka it aint about hitting that huge win and for me it never has been...as for blackjack etc ive absolutely no interest in it what i want is to deposit cash and have an few hours entertainment but atm its take take take and ive said this on another thread and it seems im not the only one that sees this pattern ..something has changed at MGs and everyone can see it..

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Hello again,

Just to let you know that the session details have been sent over to Alexishot, for perusal.

In general terms, what I would say, is that operating any software that isn’t fair and reliable is simply not an option for 32Red. We are a Public Company and, as a result, have legal and fiscal responsibilities both to our Shareholders and the Stock Exchange with these responsibilities being regularly audited and reviewed. Indeed, at the time of going public we were subject to a whole swathe of ‘due diligence’ being completed and as you would imagine a lot of this dealt with the gaming software that we operated. In addition to this, we operate in a highly regulated environment and our Regulator (Gibraltar Regulatory Authority) stipulates (via a condition of our Remote Gambling Licence) that we provide games that are fair by ensuring that our gaming software is certified and tested regularly.

I can assure you that nothing has changed with the Microgaming Software that has been deliberatly done to facilitate a lower payout percentage. We simply could not allow this to be the case, for the reasons mentioned above. It is impossible for us to put the detailed technical information into the public domain as ultimately this would lose MG any competitive advantage in much the same way that Coca Cola and KFC never give out their secret recipes for the same reason!!!

I am now off to enjoy the rest of my day off :

Cheers
Pat

[vinylweatherman]

Hello again,

Just to let you know that the session details have been sent over to Alexishot, for perusal.

In general terms, what I would say, is that operating any software that isn’t fair and reliable is simply not an option for 32Red. We are a Public Company and, as a result, have legal and fiscal responsibilities both to our Shareholders and the Stock Exchange with these responsibilities being regularly audited and reviewed. Indeed, at the time of going public we were subject to a whole swathe of ‘due diligence’ being completed and as you would imagine a lot of this dealt with the gaming software that we operated. In addition to this, we operate in a highly regulated environment and our Regulator (Gibraltar Regulatory Authority) stipulates (via a condition of our Remote Gambling Licence) that we provide games that are fair by ensuring that our gaming software is certified and tested regularly.

I can assure you that nothing has changed with the Microgaming Software that has been deliberately done to facilitate a lower payout percentage. We simply could not allow this to be the case, for the reasons mentioned above. It is impossible for us to put the detailed technical information into the public domain as ultimately this would lose MG any competitive advantage in much the same way that Coca Cola and KFC never give out their secret recipes for the same reason!!!

I am now off to enjoy the rest of my day off :

Cheers
Pat

I hate to say this, but....

GOTCHA!

What a catch eh fellow forum members

I can assure you that nothing has changed with the Microgaming Software that has been deliberately done to facilitate a lower payout percentage.

Changes HAVE INDEED been made, but these were NOT INTENDED to reduce the overall RTP, and are thus not "unfair".

This is the clincher

It is impossible for us to put the detailed technical information into the public domain as ultimately this would lose MG any competitive advantage

Well, if there were no changes, there would be NO "detailed technical information" that needed to be kept out of the public domain.

Mega Moolah,

So what happened, you can't deny it - it was SO OBVIOUS since it showed up as HUGE excess accumulations in both the Mini and Minor pools, AS WELL, as there being a "dry spell" in individual players seeing the jackpot wheel themselves.
IF it was PURELY a drop in the overall number of players, there would be a corresponding drop in the amount played into the game, and the pots would grow MORE SLOWLY, and while they would indeed be won less often, they would NOT grow so very significantly more that their established statistical distribution of hit values, nor "so every single time" during that two to three week spell.

While MG do not want their "secret recipes" available to competitors, them trying to pretend that nothing ever happened with Mega Moolah around the time of the Barcelona industry get together is not going to wash, all it does is confirm that they regularly "whitewash" matters.

Another thing, the MPV tournaments suddenly, and I mean SUDDENLY - it was overnight, developed this very severe "server lag", exhibited by the cost of a spin NOT being IMMEDIATELY deducted from the coins, AND the scrolling "waiting for server reply" indicator running for 5 seconds or more EVERY FRIGGIN' SPIN after the first couple.

"Your ISP" say MGS - "My ASS" I say in reply to them. It is possible to "fix" the problem with "my ISP" simply by not spinning for 10 seconds, and then spinning, and lo and behold "server lag caused by my ISP is fixed, whoopee".
This works EVERY TIME, so I must have some power to influence the entire congestion profile of the Internet by refraining from playing a spin for 10 seconds....

Bollox....

I don't know the secret technical details, but I have been playing MG for over 4 years, since VIPER was just being rolled out to replace the old Thumper lobby, and the VIPER lobby has been chock full of bugs throughout, none of which MG can be bothered with, UNLESS their screw ups end up costing the CASINOS money, rather than simply costing the players money or lost enjoyment.
The MPV tournaments now have a NEW problem, players either log on to see NO TOURNAMENTS LISTED, or they ARE listed, and they can click on "join" till their fingers bleed, and there is NO WAY they can get in. This can even happen WHEN THEY HAVE ALREADY PAID, and what REALLY gets us mad is that the casinos REFUSE to refund the failed bet, and MGS simply allow this problem to go on and on.... well, the CASINOS make money whether players can play out their entries or not, so they don't care.

Fruit Machines (pub slots). WTF is with "casino error 6", where they are listed, but simply will NOT load for days at a trot, and then suddenly come back online. ALL the other games work in the meantime, just the 7 "Fruit Machines" show this error. Surely, we either have a connection to the game server, or we don't What IS error 6, as a message to the PLAYER, it is pointless, it tells us nothing. This issue HAS been raised with various casino helpdesks, but for months it has been going on with no sign that MGS give a rats ass about fixing it.

Players are starting to get very at this arrogant attitude displayed by MGS, and want some kind of redress. Soon, there will be riots, and then a revolution

[KasinoKing]

aka it aint about hitting that huge win and for me it never has been...as for blackjack etc ive absolutely no interest in it what i want is to deposit cash and have an few hours entertainment but atm its take take take and ive said this on another thread and it seems im not the only one that sees this pattern ..something has changed at MGs and everyone can see it..

Hi Alex,
Just wondering if you've actually seen my post in your other thread?
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...tml#post268663
It's a virtually guaranteed way to make £200/month, if you have the will power.

Having said that & having read most of your other posts, maybe a new hobby would be a better idea...
KK

[pinsnpies]

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[Alexishot69]

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The absence of any Free Spins being activated cannot be seen as there being anything ‘wrong’ with the game and it certainly doesn’t indicate that 32Red operates ‘dodgy software’ supplied to us by Microgaming!



What I would say, is that operating any software that isn’t fair and reliable is simply not an option for 32Red. We are a Public Company and, as a result, have legal and fiscal responsibilities both to our Shareholders and the Stock Exchange with these responsibilities being regularly audited and reviewed. Indeed, at the time of going public we were subject to a whole swathe of ‘due diligence’ being completed and as you would imagine a lot of this dealt with the gaming software that we operated. In addition to this Alex, we operate in a highly regulated environment and our Regulator (Gibraltar Regulatory Authority) stipulates (via a condition of our Remote Gambling Licence) that we provide games that are fair by ensuring that our gaming software is certified and tested regularly."


Pat all i can is in response to this is that robert maxwell ran a "public"company on the "london stock exchange" so sory but that snot even remotely a way of ensuring guranteed security...you say during the latest fiasco my session asted 4 hours and i collected £15.20 during one session ..pat my response to this is during the 10s of 1000s of spins can you please share with the members here at casinomeister the biggest win ive had bearing in mind ive played inc bonuses £100s of pounds...compare this to a normal fruit machine and tel me whats fair about this....your claims as i spell above into integrity sorry noty just by me but by many people now just dont wash....id also be really interested in casinomesisters and max"s views on whats being discussed here as the sites fav casino is under scrutiny...

[Rusty]

I can assure you that nothing has changed with the Microgaming Software that has been deliberatly done to facilitate a lower payout percentage. We simply could not allow this to be the case, for the reasons mentioned above. It is impossible for us to put the detailed technical information into the public domain as ultimately this would lose MG any competitive advantage in much the same way that Coca Cola and KFC never give out their secret recipes for the same reason!!!

Would that be the secret weighting recipe by any chance?

After all if the game results are completely random (no weighting/algorithms/account tracking) then why the need of a secret recipe?

The only thing that would need protecting would be the slot design and that is a practical impossibility as anyone who plays the slot can see its design.


All online slots are weighted just like there B&M counterparts, there are algorithms that run in the background that determine the streaks and feature results, hell it is even legal as long as they return the stipulated payback over X amount of spins and maintain a random element.
How do you think AWP slots were ever legal?

The big problem with online play is the nefarious regulatory regimes that are supposed to ensure we get the stipulated payback and so we must basically rely on the Casinos integrity.

Now call me skeptical but I think we have to be naively trusting and somewhat blinkered to believe we are ever going to get a truly fair game while these circumstances remain in place.

If it was not for people like Bryan who earn a crust from the industry while retaining some moral integrity we would all be up shit creek without a paddle but as always we must keep in mind we don't have to jump into the boat but once being told it is safe it would be nice not to find it full of holes and paddleless.

Low roll on slots and play for entertainment only.