issuing a challenge to 32red/mg

[Alexishot69]

I glad that you have taken my qoute as tongue and cheek as I had intended, but yes the good old days are gone.

That sums up the whole point of this thread mercy "THINGS HAVE CHANGED" and even a blindman can see it ..i guess its one of these things in life we will never ever know though ...

[mercy]

That sums up the whole point of this thread mercy "THINGS HAVE CHANGED" and even a blindman can see it ..i guess its one of these things in life we will never ever know though ...

I'm not blind and I'm not a man but................. The payouts suck as of late.

Here's my take.

Most casino's have a certain payout percentage of say 95%. Well, that derives from of say 100.000 a month of deposits, thus the casino gets 5000.00.

I truly believe with the advent of the Uigea the deposits has decreased by over 50% at most casino's, it takes twice as long for a casino to reach their percentage of deposits per withdrawals.

That being said,I feel that is why we are seeing less and less screenshots and players complaining of less wins.

The more people who play, the increased chancing you have at winning.

[patrina]

Alex, so here's my take on everything, when you get up there at all, cash out. The games can be tricky. I played Moonshine got the bonus round and got a good hit at $137 then it kept me going for a bit was up to $200 and then played for quite a while and went down some, changed games and did ok at Gypsy Queen, got the bonus round a few times, and the last few times I got the bonus round at GQ, it only paid $8 and $12, so I left and went to a few other games, then went back to Moonshine, got up again to about $150, then started going down, not right away, but I went down to $100, it 'looked' like the bonus round was coming but it didn't so went to Jellyfish and didn't do so great, ended up cashing out at $70. So, when we can we have to cash out and we can't chase a bonus and we have to realize although it may look like it's coming, we can't hold our breath. From my experiences some games pay better then others, Moonshine pays better then any game I've played (on a consisitent basis) I am out now for a bit. Good luck and tty all later
Patrina

[pinsnpies]

The challenge is knowing when to cash out when you win. I always cash out when I quadruple my deposit. £1 maximum bets and I rarely play 25 to 50 liners.

Say I deposit £25 and reach £125, i'll withdraw £100 and leave the £25 there for a couple of days to come back and play with another time. There is nothing worse than lying in bed and thinking "I should have cashed out that £100 winnings I blew trying to win more. We have all been there I know.

£100 might not seem like a lot but trust me it all adds up.

Last Month I gave £600 of winnings back to the casino trying to win more and I always feel like crap. Also I NEVER reverse withdrawals. Cuz once it all goes, you feel rotten.

[mercy]

Don't Patrina, I was being sarcastic, too much to drink tonight.

Accept my apology and the derail.

[spearmaster]

I am on my first mug of coffee. And my eyes are half-open.

As you can see, I have deleted a number of posts and left only the markers.

Ladies, please ensure this does not happen again. Thank you.

[path]

...cmon pat theres just no getting away from it and im saying pat cos your the only guy who as vwm says has the guts to even respond from mg on here things are desperate at mg at the moment huh? heres a few stats for you to try and explain pat ok? total deposited inc bonuses is over £700 since august and withdrawls hmmm they equal £0..and this incidentally is the excellent cs at 32 btw,,,,
..im sorry pat and i reiterate i only say pat cos well you know why...lol..mg are as tight as fort knox atm ....

I would just like to state that I do not represent, nor do I speak on behalf of Microgaming. As an operator of their excellent Casino Software I think it only right and proper that I do comment on the performance of the games from the 32Red perspective. To say that 'things are desperate at MG and that MG are as tight as fort knox atm' is completely without foundation; by all means use this volatile language to describe your own individual experience of their software, if that is indeed the case.

In respect of withdrawals that you have made, yes, they do equal 0. The decision to withdraw, or not, is entirely your decision and it really does depend upon your style of play and what you are trying to achieve from your deposit. Some players will withdraw their initial deposit once their winnings have increased that initial deposit by say 50%. Other players will withdraw if they are on a losing streak and their 'bankroll' is at 50% of their initial deposit. It is difficult to advise players on what is the best way to play, other than stating 'that only gamble with what you can afford to lose'. It all depends on your approach really and what is your objective; are you looking for that big win or looking to get the maximum play time and entertainment from your deposit? Whichever, be prepared to lose the initial deposit! A sensible approach is the one that 'Pinsnpies' has proffered in his post here whereby the initial deposit is withdrawn when the balance has reached four times the value of the deposit.

I would agree that the 78.3% payout percentage in your latest gameplay session of 1100 spins is below the averages that we would expect to see. I fully agree with what Kasino King has already stated 'not being funny, but 100's of spins is not enough to judge the overall return with any sort of accuracy'. Looking at the payout percentage over the lifetime that your account has been open we see a return of 89.56% on just under 33,000 spins. Incidentally, of these 33,000 spins 35% of them have generated a payout; a pretty good 'hit-rate' for the games that you have been playing.
We at 32Red do strongly believe in supporting our players when they experience bad runs and with free chips accounting for £279 of the £700(ish) total deposits, I hope you see this as being the case here.

I would like to take this opportunity of apologising for the standard of the Live Chat; we do, on rare occassions, get some gremlins at work with this software and it can give the appearance that we are ignoring the player. I assure you that this is far from being the case; we simply see the chat as being inactive and we aren't then in a position to post a reply. We are in the process of sourcing new Live Chat software and hope to have a new, much improved, version on offer early in the New Year.

I hope that is enough to satisfy 'alexishot' that nothing has changed at 32Red, nor at MG for that matter.

Cheers
Pat

[Jufo]

So Pat how about contacting Microgaming and asking if they can implement Randomness verification which is already in use at Bet Voyager. If the software is fair, then adding transparency how the software draws outcomes would be only beneficial to all.

[vinylweatherman]

So Pat how about contacting Microgaming and asking if they can implement Randomness verification which is already in use at Bet Voyager. If the software is fair, then adding transparency how the software draws outcomes would be only beneficial to all.

It would also help allay fears if you could break the silence on WTF went on with Mega Moolah earlier this year. It was clearly many standard deviations off the norm for the two minor posts to behave the way they did, and then suddenly go back to "normal behaviour". The fact that MGS simply REFUSE to even acknowledge the issue, let alone explain it, has driven this recent frenzy of "conspiracy theory" to a raging inferno.

[patrina]

Hey all, Thank you Pat, for your explanation. I can only imagine you sitting there thinking, how can I explain this issue with relevancy, when there is really not alot that you can really elaborate on, yes we NEED someone from MG to come here. To put Pat through this is wrong, MG is the issue here and it just happens that Pat is taking the fall for MG and trying to constantly assure us that 32 Red is alive and well, nothing has changed and the payouts are the same as before, and it really gets down to the luck of the draw, that a game may pay and a game may not pay. There is some skill involved with slots and you 'use it' or 'lose it.' I have learned alot from the past several days of play. I have already stated these lessons, but again I think we need to play with more thought involved if we want to win anything above our initial deposits. 32 Red is generous and the cs has always been bar none, of course there are going to be situations when a chat may be lost etc. In the past several days, I have not won anything huge, but did ok, played for a little while on my deposits and could of cashed out several times, but didn't. If I were to of stayed at my fav game, I wouldn't of gotten very far. Because I switched around to several different games, until I found one that was paying, I did ok. Now, you may all say, "Why the change of attitude?" Well, it hasn't changed much except that I have realized I have not been playing 'too smart' i still have concerns that I would like to see 'MG' address. As for 32 Red? I think that Pat has answered dutifully and has said all he can say. We need to get someone from MG here to address our concerns. Thanks all
Patrina