It just gets worse

[Alexishot69]

Its maybe just me but yet again for the 25th time in succession another losing session on MG..they just seem to be getting tighter and tighter and tighter..not one cashout from all these sessions and most ive been in front is about 10 which i hardly withdrawable...i just totally give up..surely these slots aint paying what they are meant to be paying huh? you would think even sods law after 10s of 1000s of spins youd hit something worth withdrawing but nope they just seem to get worse....anyone else feel the same?

 

[Pocketdiggers77]

Same thing here. i just emailed an MG casino and told them I think I was robbed.

Believe it or not RTG is the only thing paying for me. Too bad I win there and give it to MG. Time to quit that.

 

[RobWin]

Its maybe just me but yet again for the 25th time in succession another losing session on MG..they just seem to be getting tighter and tighter and tighter..not one cashout from all these sessions and most ive been in front is about 10 which i hardly withdrawable...i just totally give up..surely these slots aint paying what they are meant to be paying huh? you would think even sods law after 10s of 1000s of spins youd hit something worth withdrawing but nope they just seem to get worse....anyone else feel the same?

As far as MG goes, yes...they have been really cold for me too for the last month, they are most likely making up lost revenue now before years end, it's really sad when it's so obvious isn't it !!

 

[Alexishot69]

never a

truer word said so god damn obvious were being robbed ..noone can defend whats going on atm at MG its absolutely daylight robbery ..but we will here the ahhh its "random" garbage appearing well tonights my last nght playing MG never ever had a worse session that works out just under 40% payout in 3000+ spins ..how can this be defended???? im sure an appearance by someone will say ahhh just not your night well geee if it was just me then yeah fair enough but it seems as rb says everyones feeling the pinch and MG are tightening up to the point where its bordering i think on illegal...lol

 

[catrina m]

I have posted this elsewhere but I think putting money in MG now is crazy.

The US players are going to get fleeced there.

 

[Alexishot69]

what really annoys me

I have posted this elsewhere but I think putting money in MG now is crazy.

The US players are going to get fleeced there.

is that it i so goddamn obvious yet it just gets defended time after time..YES i know its gambling and the chances are you WILL lose ..i play for entertainment and MG used to give entertainment however now its take take take with no reward..

 

[puppydog07]

same here....

I also am finding the same thing, but to me its across the board, mg, rival and rtg all seem to be so tight there water proof.
Think it time to take up a safer hobby..maybe handgliding..couldnt be much more dangerous than thinking u may win at online casino right now!!!!

 

[AudiManinBoro]

Well I have to say at this point im afraid, youve been all incredibly unlucky lol Ive had a superb winning weekend at mg with my fav casino Spin palace. Deposited 50, hit 3 royal flushes on the level up bonus pokers and managed to cash out 800 quid so all in all, its not been bad for me.

 

[LaHutti]

I have posted this elsewhere but I think putting money in MG now is crazy.

The US players are going to get fleeced there.

It's funny how the US players think it's just them...believe me, it's not

 

[Alexishot69]

or can it?

you know im my own worst enemy ..had a bad day at work come home thought damn surely to god 32/mg is due a turn for me...how wrong can i be..2 hours play for 50 at smallest stakes 9p per spin...im just speechless at the speed of the take..ive never ever cashed out from 32 biggest win just over 4 and yet another 19 spin bonus round yielding 10p at 5x multiplier..ill pop that also on the suckers screenshots...i think really mg needs to be avoided like the plague atm...

 

[KasinoKing]

you know im my own worst enemy ..had a bad day at work come home thought damn surely to god 32/mg is due a turn for me...how wrong can i be..2 hours play for 50 at smallest stakes 9p per spin...im just speechless at the speed of the take..ive never ever cashed out from 32 biggest win just over 4 and yet another 19 spin bonus round yielding 10p at 5x multiplier..ill pop that also on the suckers screenshots...i think really mg needs to be avoided like the plague atm...

Just wondering, which slots are you playing exactly?

I play 32Red every month, and yeah I have bad runs on maybe 3 or 4 slots in a row, but then I'll have a good win on another one. Just last month I made $500 profit off a $200 deposit + bonus (including some diabolical bad luck/stupidity, but also some great good luck), so I can't see anything wrong with their slots.

Maybe it's just time to try some different ones...?
KK

 

[sizesnug]

same here...been depositing everyday for a month & 1/2....and nothing, I mean not even enough to have a good play. Put in 100.00...gone within 20 mins...sometimes less...

 

[vinylweatherman]

I have found the ONLY MG games that seem to offer a chance at the moment are the Pub Slots (or Fruit Machines), everything else just seems to suck, and it IS obvious, even though there is no way to prove it.

3 card poker has been a complete joke, how can the dealer just keep on getting all the playable hands, where I mostly get a set of unsuited cards, and only pairs and a few flushes. It seems pretty clear that there are cycles in this game, and not an even spread of good and bad hands. It is like the normal straights are blocked to suppress the chance of straight flushes, and I notice that if the dealer is getting more straights than me, it is the dealer that invariably gets the first (and often last) straight flush of the session.

I have played sets of 100 and 200 hands, and barely seen a single straight, yet the cycle for the straight flush is only around twice that. The cards seem to exhibit the same properties as the blackjack. If mostly LOW cards are appearing, Blackjack goes in favour of the dealer, and 3 Card poker produces a great many unplayable hands or pushes where the dealer does not qualify. With mostly high cards, Blackjack favours the player, and 3 card poker produces enough small wins to keep me even, and able to wait out one of the 2 big hands.

Well, having said that the Pub Slots are the only games that seem to pay fair, I have just put nearly 5K into one, and it has offered F*&^% all throughout, and I finally managed a pretty poor 2K and gave up, cashing that out for another day

I can read these games fairly well, and there is no doubt whatsoever that MGS HAVE CHANGED THE GAME ENGINE.

REMEMBER, MGS changed Mega Moolah, and despite their pretences, IT HAPPENED, WE SAW IT, and it was BLEEDIN' OVBIOUS.

MGS quietly changed it back again, and are hoping we think we dreamt about those Mini and Minor pots both going to 4 figures, and pretty much staying there.

Perhaps when they see a migration of players, they will boost payouts and lure us back, and then hit us again in the new year.
Once they finish with the US, they will need a major push over this end of the pond, and will need to offer attractive introductory experiences to players.

The one thing MG simply CANNOT risk doing is to start accusing SLOTS players of "bonus abuse" or "deceitful play", as this could ONLY be argued if the slots WERE NOT RANDOM.

ONE MG group tried this in 2006, and now there is widespread doubt about MG slots, which will simply not go away UNTIL MG release an explanation of WTF this was all about.

 

[AudiManinBoro]

Just wondering, which slots are you playing exactly?

I play 32Red every month, and yeah I have bad runs on maybe 3 or 4 slots in a row, but then I'll have a good win on another one. Just last month I made $500 profit off a $200 deposit + bonus (including some diabolical bad luck/stupidity, but also some great good luck), so I can't see anything wrong with their slots.

Maybe it's just time to try some different ones...?
KK

I do know that some people have favourite slots, will log on and deposit and play only on a handlefull and then complain when they lose. Some slots just DO play badly. have to move around folks, slot to slot to slot to find the one thts paying. Sticking to a slot just cos you like it even tho its in cold mode is plain daft

 

[steinhaug]

I have not won anywhere lately, and last cashout for me is 3 january this year! As for worst casino I have a whopping 58% payout the last month, and for the best casino I have 89% payout last month.

In general payout last 3 month in MG for my looking at depoits would be ~80%.

And I must add, for the obvious bad luck theme! I had a go at Tomb Raider Sword game today.. I did the 0.01 spins to see when things hit and so, to get a feel of the game for the features. While I was spinning for 0.01 This is where the freespin game appeared (amount of spins):

18, 59, 56, 32, 72, 30, 32

After 50 spins I upped for $1.5 spins, and stopped after 30 spins (80 total since last feature), back to 0.01 getting the feature in 3 spins.. (at bottom).

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I then keep going for $1.5 - $3 spins all the way, and I need 122 spins for feature!

I then go back to 0.01, and get feature in 34 spins! I figure we are back in track, with the ~45 spins for feature, so after 30 spins I upp again now for 19x10 lines ($1.9 spins).

Feature hit in 154 spins (!)... I keep going on 19x10 lines, feature then in 286 spin!
I then get the adventure feature and loose in second round and stop the game feeling yet again that I just upped at the wrong place...

Not sure if you followed the numbers, but obviously I was an expert in picking the wrong spots to up the wager!

Needless to say, I am at the verge of really convincing myself - even as a gambling addict - that MG is infact impossible to win at!

That is - KasinoKing - wagering low you can win, however I simply havn't got the time to spend hours in increasing the bank with $20 a time.

I have noticed the past weeks that low rolling usually gives you 100% payout in all games working progressively. However you rarely go above 100%, and when you do you gain $1 - $20 (and you spend an hour doing so). Which means I make more money working...

Also when I see that the stats are accumulating "patterns" on 0.01 spins (and by "pattern" I am referring to the feature appearing as an example 5 times in a row with ~100 spins in between, or say 2x500 spins for feature would make me believe that next feature comes much faster), when upping it changes and you get that woooppps.... 150+ spins to get the feature on the new bet anyways! Why wven do the 0.01 spins?

Anyways, enough rambling for me, I have been defeated yet again by MG today - even trying to do the stats as good as possible I only end up the same.

Let me just look at gambling like a boxing match, and it should all be very simple after going down with KO for 1000th time! I give up, well technically I am knocked out of the n'th time! MG: You are the man! You are it! Hail the MG king! Undefeated champion!

 

[sweiger]

I haven't been able to cash out anything af MG for ca. 9 months, 1-3 $100-$300 deposits per month. Playing mostly $2-3 per spin spring break slot (which used to be fun).
Bad streak or bad payout%...?

 

[vinylweatherman]

I have not won anywhere lately, and last cashout for me is 3 january this year! As for worst casino I have a whopping 58% payout the last month, and for the best casino I have 89% payout last month.

In general payout last 3 month in MG for my looking at depoits would be ~80%.

And I must add, for the obvious bad luck theme! I had a go at Tomb Raider Sword game today.. I did the 0.01 spins to see when things hit and so, to get a feel of the game for the features. While I was spinning for 0.01 This is where the freespin game appeared (amount of spins):

18, 59, 56, 32, 72, 30, 32

After 50 spins I upped for $1.5 spins, and stopped after 30 spins (80 total since last feature), back to 0.01 getting the feature in 3 spins.. (at bottom).

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I then keep going for $1.5 - $3 spins all the way, and I need 122 spins for feature!

I then go back to 0.01, and get feature in 34 spins! I figure we are back in track, with the ~45 spins for feature, so after 30 spins I upp again now for 19x10 lines ($1.9 spins).

Feature hit in 154 spins (!)... I keep going on 19x10 lines, feature then in 286 spin!
I then get the adventure feature and loose in second round and stop the game feeling yet again that I just upped at the wrong place...

Not sure if you followed the numbers, but obviously I was an expert in picking the wrong spots to up the wager!

Needless to say, I am at the verge of really convincing myself - even as a gambling addict - that MG is infact impossible to win at!

That is - KasinoKing - wagering low you can win, however I simply havn't got the time to spend hours in increasing the bank with $20 a time.

I have noticed the past weeks that low rolling usually gives you 100% payout in all games working progressively. However you rarely go above 100%, and when you do you gain $1 - $20 (and you spend an hour doing so). Which means I make more money working...

Also when I see that the stats are accumulating "patterns" on 0.01 spins (and by "pattern" I am referring to the feature appearing as an example 5 times in a row with ~100 spins in between, or say 2x500 spins for feature would make me believe that next feature comes much faster), when upping it changes and you get that woooppps.... 150+ spins to get the feature on the new bet anyways! Why wven do the 0.01 spins?

Anyways, enough rambling for me, I have been defeated yet again by MG today - even trying to do the stats as good as possible I only end up the same.

Let me just look at gambling like a boxing match, and it should all be very simple after going down with KO for 1000th time! I give up, well technically I am knocked out of the n'th time! MG: You are the man! You are it! Hail the MG king! Undefeated champion!

Only just noticed

I use this curious property for all those "wager challenge" events

Remember Casino Action, I would regularly win overall on their slots events, as I would play many THOUSANDS of spins at very low stakes. I would run Thunderstruck at 0.18, 0.27, and sometimes up to 0.54 - remember when I hit the 5 Scatters nearly a DOZEN times in a few months with this strategy, yet many players using higher bets are lucky to see 5 Rams ONCE.

Remember also that Vegas Strip Blackjack experiment, I autoplayed 80,000 hands at 1, and was over 800 AHEAD at the end. I then upped the bet to 10, and I lost that 800 VERY FAST INDEED. This game paid WAY over the odds at 1, and produced a pretty low probabilty outcome - indeed, I didn't believe what I was seeing I really should have carried on at 1, just to see if this was just going to carry on. I went for the "greed" option, and hoped that 10x the bet would make me 10x the profit based on the assumption that changing stake would have zero impact on the "sweet spot" I seemed to have found.

 

[Alexishot69]

thnx

Glad to be honest in a way it aint just me thats feeling the pain...the game i normally pay is "break da bank" and it is at the mment only its mine its breaking..haha cmon gimme a break mg loosen even just the once

 

[vinylweatherman]

Glad to be honest in a way it aint just me thats feeling the pain...the game i normally pay is "break da bank" and it is at the mment only its mine its breaking..haha cmon gimme a break mg loosen even just the once

This game is high variance, in both the 3 reel and 5 reel formats. It may not look it in the 3 reel version, but it is, as the commonest wins really only return your total stake. The 5 reel version is even worse, with few paying hits, but the possibilty of a VERY BIG run on the bonus round. Thunderstruck is considered high variance, with 3x on free spins and a 2x wild multiplier. Break da bank has a 5x wild multiplier, and a 5x multiplier on free spins, meaning a possible 25x multiplier on a base win, so hitting a 5 OK with 5x wild during 5x free spins can pay an absolute fortune. This leads to the game SUCKING a fortune for most of the time.

These games are best played on much lower stakes than slots with lower variance, unless of course, you are a thrill seeker

 

[Alexishot69]

am i guessing

VWM much appreciate dyour informative replies..forgive me if im wrong ok but "high variance" is this not just a way to say "low payout"..? cos even playing ther games like the sbournes,spring time i just keep gettin mauled also...as for the earlier comment above about some people complaining to much after a few spins..i like to think after 10s of 1000s of spins with not 1 decent win then i reckon im in a position to make a general assumption about mg casinos...they are never ever as good as they once were and i think id love to hear what any mg rep on here has t say ...

 

[vinylweatherman]

VWM much appreciate dyour informative replies..forgive me if im wrong ok but "high variance" is this not just a way to say "low payout"..? cos even playing ther games like the sbournes,spring time i just keep gettin mauled also...as for the earlier comment above about some people complaining to much after a few spins..i like to think after 10s of 1000s of spins with not 1 decent win then i reckon im in a position to make a general assumption about mg casinos...they are never ever as good as they once were and i think id love to hear what any mg rep on here has t say ...

Variance is not the same as payout (or RTP).

RTP (long term payout), is around 95% for Microgaming slots.

Variance is a measure of how the RTP is met. A "low variance" slot will give repeated wins, but often these will be modest. With these, you should be able to achieve close to 95% over a relatively short number of spins, even though you are bound to lose in the end.

Low Variance slots are good for the "wager challenge" events, as they enable wagering to be accumulated with low risk. They are also good for making WR on a bonus, usually after a nice hit on another game.

A high variance slot will give far fewer wins, and you will see regular sequences of naked spins (spins with no payouts), and many of the wins you DO get will be modest.
Much of the RTP will be released on rare combinations, such as the 25x 5OK during a bonus round. You could easily hit 1000x or more the initial bet, but this has to be paid for by many many spins with a poor rate of return.

Playing with a lower stake gives more chances to hit the big paying bonus round before busting out. Thrill seekers can bet high, and may win a truly staggering sum if they are lucky, but most of the time they will bust out.

It should be possible to see what is the most you are likely to see by looking at the second and third highest paying wins, and seeing what they pay in free spins if they include a wild. For Thunderstruck (or any of the clones), this is 5OK Hammers or Shafts (second highest other than 5OK Thor), and in the base game would pay 750x line bet or 1500x line bet with wild. In free spins, this is 4500x line bet, or 500x spin bet. 5 Scatters will pay more, but is much rarer, and is not really a winline, however, it pays 500x SPIN bet normally, and 1500x SPIN bet during free spins.

For Example (5 scatter retrigger, plus some small change)

 

[Alexishot69]

thnx

Another great read vwm..i to be honest as ive said loads just play for entertainment but its getting harder and harder these days to find a casino where deposits of around 50 will last anytime at all and ive never won a bolt from any of these deposits..this is without one word of a lie the most ive been up in the past 2 days with over 80 deposited is 4p ok thats a modest sum compared to what some people play but do you think after 10s of 1000s of spins im just real unlucky?

 

[vinylweatherman]

Another great read vwm..i to be honest as ive said loads just play for entertainment but its getting harder and harder these days to find a casino where deposits of around 50 will last anytime at all and ive never won a bolt from any of these deposits..this is without one word of a lie the most ive been up in the past 2 days with over 80 deposited is 4p ok thats a modest sum compared to what some people play but do you think after 10s of 1000s of spins im just real unlucky?

It's MG - does seem tight these last few months. Even at 0.01 per line, I have seen Thunderstruck hoover up 50 in under 2000 spins - it is unusual, but it happens. Break da bank is going to be worse, even at 0.01 per line, however, even at this low stake, you can easily double, or even triple, your 50, and this should lengthen playing time considerably. Sticking to a cold slot is not the best way, but while it may be stone dead in one MG casino, try another with a small deposit, it may be hot there.

You could try splitting your 50 between 2 casinos, 25 each, and try your favourite slots to see which seems hottest. Return to the cold one another day, but of you get a decent hit, cash out the top slice, and leave behind what you started with initially. Hot casinos tend to go cold very quickly, and a decent win can be eaten up, whereas cashing out, and trying casinos 3 and 4 with it might be a better option, they may be hot too!

The Kasino King low roller strategies are worth a look, even though they are designed to make a small and regular low rolling profit, they can also be used to vastly increase potential playing time for a given amount of real money.

 

[Alexishot69]

see vwm

This is my whole thing i honestly and have no reason to lie deposit 100s at 32red and with added bonuses youd think well hey in there must be a win maybe once..but its always a constant slaughter the reason i love it is the cs is brill and its as safe as they come... played ladbrokes before and slots were the same tight as a badgers butt..i just dont fancy moving elsewhere so heres the quandry do i move elsewhere and hope or do i keep playing till i surely must eventually hit something i mean im 29 and have at least another 30 years slots in me before my eyesight starts fading

 

[Rusty]

It is not your imagination they are much much tighter and I thought they were pretty tight before.
Here is my last session at MG.

First slot: Johny Specter over 350 spins to trigger the feature.
Second slot: The Osbornes
370 spins no free spins
212 spins to trigger the grab a gift bonus!

Bust.

So over 600 spins and 1 set of free spins triggered and hardly a bonus round in sight.

That is a pretty rough session but it seems to be the norm these Days.

 

[EasyRhino]

First slot: Johny Specter over 350 spins to trigger the feature.

I got 20 free spins on Johnny Spectre, and on my third spin ever, I activated the feature. So sorry, I think I used up your luck on that one.

 

[Josh66]

Hi all

Its been really interesting reading the above posts.

I am noticing a real difference this time around online, being back after a break. I spent over 300 quid last nigth and 500 last weekend. Maunly at Rival but also one RTG and one MG. Same results. little fun and quikly losing everything. I remember a couple of years back when I several times funded good holidays with winnings.

It would be interesting if we could set up a database of deposits/wins and losses. Amongst everyone here it would give some pretty enlightening info would it not?

Cheers

J

 

[steinhaug]

It would be interesting if we could set up a database of deposits/wins and losses. Amongst everyone here it would give some pretty enlightening info would it not?

That would be interesting - I could easily fund that project, make the database and GUI neededto collect the data. If people collected the playcheck data we could also make this available with accurate payout for alle people contributing such a project. Problem is, I fear, people are terrified in giving away the real deal - how much money they really loose online making it a good idea - however impossible in real life.

People rather cling to the hope of winning than looking at themselves in the mirror and admitting they are loosing. (OK KK, you are not in that sentence, )

- - - - - - - - - - - -
Last weekend at Casinomeister until Christmas!

 

[KasinoKing]

Glad to be honest in a way it aint just me thats feeling the pain...the game i normally pay is "break da bank" and it is at the mment only its mine its breaking..haha cmon gimme a break mg loosen even just the once

I played that game quite a few times when it first came out because I thought it looked quite promising... but I got totally murdered every time. It's extremely high variance IMO and now sits firmly in my black-list.

Right, if you want to win some easy, virtually risk-free money back follow these steps exactly to the letter!
1. Next Monday deposit 50+ at Ladbrokes.
2. Go to the Slots Cash Splash promotions page and claim the promotion.
3. Every day next week play one of the 3 designated slots at minimum coins/maximum lines until you have wagered 51 to 55 max.
4. DO NOT under ANY circumstances play ANY other games in the casino!
5. At the end of the week they will give you 70 with WR x 4, but you can meet this WR by playing the same promotion the following week.
Your expected average loss wagering 50/day is 2.50/day = 17.50/week.
Therefore your expected profit is over 50/week = 200+ per month.

In order to keep this money you MUST obey point 4 above; Do NOT fritter it away on other games because you WILL lose it. You could try their Scratchcard promo as well if you like, but this is much more risky and not +EV.

For the record, my previous 7-months nett results on Slot Splash:-
Apr +87
May +97 (Only played 2 weeks)
Jun +341
Jul -5 (Went a bit mad with crazy big bets! )
Aug +141
Sep +462
Oct +314
Note: I don't play min coins/max lines - I use my progressive betting pattern.

Makes you wonder why they keep doing it really!
But I ain't complaining and hope this promo runs for ever!

 

[bakonlin]

Slot

The casino always give a wellcome bonus 100-400% of initial bonus,but must wagger in slot,why?because the casino sure will take it back plus the deposit.roullete,bacarrat give a chance to win,provided luck, calm,which i don't have.think it over

 

[Achenar]

always knew

Hello crushers,
I'm surprised it took you guys/gals this long to figure this out.I knew these casinos have changed the payout structure. 3-4 yrs ago i seen changes in the software.i thought it was myself and the bad luck but i know it had nothing to do with bad luck losing streak what ever you want to call it.This is why i quit yrs ago i still come here to see if others have had this experience.now i see it's even been worse in the past few yrs.Im surprised you have not seen this like i did yrs ago.i feel for those that believe that casinos are fair.for every 1 person that does win 100s lose if not thousands.I always knew i was right.Now it just proves i was right about online gambling and how casinos did and have patterns.Ive seen this thousands of times and even wrote letters to the casinos telling them i'm aware of the casinos changing the payout ratio at will.
all i get is sorry for your unlucky streak..Is this a casinos new way of saying ya we change it when ever we want without your knowledge.

 

[Josh66]

I am really shocked at some of this.

To someone who is not good at figures (doh!), is it basically being said that each spin is not truly "random" then and that some predetermined pattern is being played out?

This would certainly explain me losing another tousand quid over the weekend, mainly at various Rivals which after thousands of spins just never pay out and play becomes dull as hell or Canbet where 100 quid will last you 10 minutes if you are lucky!

Rgds
J

 

[vinylweatherman]

I am really shocked at some of this.

To someone who is not good at figures (doh!), is it basically being said that each spin is not truly "random" then and that some predetermined pattern is being played out?

This would certainly explain me losing another tousand quid over the weekend, mainly at various Rivals which after thousands of spins just never pay out and play becomes dull as hell or Canbet where 100 quid will last you 10 minutes if you are lucky!

Rgds
J

Long ago, before this was such a hot topic. I posted a warning about what might happen if the games were NOT Random, and UK "Fruitie experts" found out this.

From nearly 40 years of Fruit Machine play, I have trained my mind to see these "cycles" "software blocks" and "patterns". It IS possible with this knowledge to get a personal RTP well in excess of 100% from machines wit a set RTP of between 70% and 80%, purely by observing the patterns from a few spins (preferrably made & paid of by another player ), and deciding whether a point has been reached that would result in a 100%+ return from the next reasonably short segment of the cycle (usually involving the release of the "streak pot" at the end).

Online casinos SHOULD have nothing to fear, since their games are random,

OK, so whay are some sh1t**g their p***s when some of their slot players "win too much", Rival, - they reduce coin size, as well as implement a bonus ban, which they have now offered a partial explanation for.

MiniVegas had a bout of diarrhoea, and confiscated winnings from players they accused of "illegitimate play", or "manipulating the games" to offer a rough translation. You simply CANNOT manipulate future outcomes by playing "illegitimately" with past bets if the games are RANDOM.

The technique now in the frame to explain this presupposes that tricking the software into thinking you have lost big (parking bonus rounds) causes it to "streak" to rebalance closer to the 95% overall RTP, and that having had the balancing streak, the player simply "unparks" the bonus rounds and throws the RTP above 100%.
This kind of thing WORKS on MOST Fruit Machines, it is commonly referred to as "forcing".

 

[steinhaug]

The technique now in the frame to explain this presupposes that tricking the software into thinking you have lost big (parking bonus rounds) causes it to "streak" to rebalance closer to the 95% overall RTP, and that having had the balancing streak, the player simply "unparks" the bonus rounds and throws the RTP above 100%.
This kind of thing WORKS on MOST Fruit Machines, it is commonly referred to as "forcing".

I suppose the question then will be if we are playing against ourself or against all players (for the balancing to occure). If we are playing against ourself then forcing a higher pay would render future gameplay impossible since the bad streak destined to occure afterwards would compensate for whatever extra you managed to squeeze out of the parked bonuses. This would mean that you in reality only have 1 possible point in an account to be able to win before retirering a "busted" account.

It does seem that even the players not believing the games are rigged in reality shares this opinion, since players winning big quickly close down the account scared to wager any more due to a big win.

 

[KasinoKing]

I am really shocked at some of this.

To someone who is not good at figures (doh!), is it basically being said that each spin is not truly "random" then and that some predetermined pattern is being played out?

Some players believe this to be the case, and some do not.
I am a 'not' (i.e. I do believe each spin is completely random & not affected by anything else at all).

However, whichever theory you believe there is absolutely no way for any of us to prove anything.

Basically you have 2 choices:-
a) You trust the games to be fair & random - so you play them, or
b) You think they are rigged in some way - so you should not play them.

Just my 2c.

 

[gedneil]

mg software

same here been playing on mg for 3 days highest win 15.00 wouldnt mind but at 2.50 a shot they are taking the mickey we never learn u always think the next spin surley they can have my last tonight and thats me finished with them.

 

[Jufo]

However, whichever theory you believe there is absolutely no way for any of us to prove anything.

I don't think that's true. All you need is a large amount of data. For example if ALL players at Casinomeister forum would provide their play data into the data pool, such resulting data could be comprehensive enough to draw conclusions about the randomness.

 

[vinylweatherman]

I suppose the question then will be if we are playing against ourself or against all players (for the balancing to occure). If we are playing against ourself then forcing a higher pay would render future gameplay impossible since the bad streak destined to occure afterwards would compensate for whatever extra you managed to squeeze out of the parked bonuses. This would mean that you in reality only have 1 possible point in an account to be able to win before retirering a "busted" account.

It does seem that even the players not believing the games are rigged in reality shares this opinion, since players winning big quickly close down the account scared to wager any more due to a big win.

What is more telling are the CASINOS that believe this. Many will cut back further incentives to deposit after a player has had a huge win. This, however, is NOT simply confined to where players are deemed to have taken advantage of a conjunction of promotions and game selections to run a mildly +EV set of sessions, it has happened when player simply "got lucky" in what was otherwise a steady -EV decline as would be expected.

I was once bonus banned after a steady run of -EV play was interrupted by a 4OK, side bet & all, and dealer QUALIFYING, on stud poker. It was a single and completely lucky hit that changed me into an overall winner. This lead the casino to believe, somehow, this made me a higher risk of doing it again, whereas mathematics and common sense dictates that the best move would be to think of an incentive to get it back.
Players see and experience these things, and thus come to believe that there must be something in it.

If a casino knew for a fact that the games could NEVER be "illegitimately played", they would be after the repeat custom of lucky winners just as much as losers.

The other explanation, of course, is that all these "well respected industry veterans" just don't have a clue, and are simply scared when players hit big, and would rather they go elsewhere if they are going to do it again.

The other puzzling case is how casinos handle the bot issue. Bots were designed for one thing, doing bonuses, they work on the principle of losing quickly, but as close to long term RTP as possible, yielding a profit once a bonus is taken into account. Players silly enough to use a bot without a bonus are simply a long term cash cow for the casino, and since, unlike poker, no other player sufferes, it would seem that this should be a low priority issue. Casinos seem genuinely scared now of the latest casino bots, even when not used for their traditional purpose of clearing bonuses. It seems they are UNSURE about whether there may be a strategy to beat their random games, and are simply not prepared to take the risk, so embark on a bot "witch hunt", partly as a method to deter those who might THINK of trying out a bot in the future, as well as save money from both bonus player who use bots, and non bonus players who simply got lucky.
Stupid again, pay them, and they will use the bot again, and again, and in the long term the house edge will bite their ass, and they will realise their bot didn't work after all, but they have then lost a fortune to the casino to derive the proof.

It boils down to two options.

1) The games are NOT entirely random, and there ARE ways to beat the house WITHOUT using promotions.

2) The people at the top simply do not understand casino mathematics, and run scared at every bump in the cloth, shout from the slots, or pile of chips leaving the floor - simply because these are so obvious, unlike the steady and unseen stream of losers who are feeding it all.