RTG 100% guaranteed strategy but is it abuse?

[NewOrleans]

Hey I got a disturbing text message on my phone,Get shanked yet? are the casinos mad at me now ? lol

[Jufo]

Originally Posted by NewOrleans

Hey I got a disturbing text message on my phone,Get shanked yet? are the casinos mad at me now ? lol

Yes they are probably knocking at your door with baseball bats right now

[jas2587]

Originally Posted by NewOrleans

Hey I got a disturbing text message on my phone,Get shanked yet? are the casinos mad at me now ? lol

IMO you are out of line
shanked get real
another post to
get the shovel an
the hipwaders out

Cindy

[NewOrleans]

[Zoozie]

I do not find the 'build up the bank' strategy abuse. It is the shady section of bonus play. But if the T&C does not mention anything about it, it is legal until it specific mentions it. One of the challenges of gambling is to find
an edge. And this is an important aspect for any succesfull gambler. For me that is also part of ' the game' besides playing the casino games.

In fact this strategy is similar to building up loyalty points which you redeem later. Rival casino are generous with loyalty point and the have no roll-over. With a 100$ bonus it is common to build up 5$ loyalty. I always only redeem these in combination with a cashout.

Originally Posted by vinylweatherman

For a test of your knowledge of "loopholes", do you know what happened in Summer 2006 that caused many Microgaming casinos to take a "knee jerk" reaction claiming "illegitimate play" rather than "bonus abuse" or "fraud" - indeed, for the record, no bonuses were even involved, which made the situation REALLY tricky for the casinos given that it was SLOTS play that was involved (NOT Tomb Raider 2 by the way ).

Was it the the original EZBonus rules where you could cashout at any time and forfeit unconverted bonus?

Another good MG slot 'strategy' is the double up feature. If a double up enabled slot gives you a good feature round. (maybe 200$). Then leave the game. Later (even after cashout) when you get a bonus you can go back to this slot and THEN take the double up as first thing. This is again similar to the agressive roulette betting on a bonus. Except it is done on slots and with no house egde. I am not sure this still works, but it did for a long time. I had up to 3 double-up features on different slots waiting for me at the same casinos sometimes.

[winbig]

Originally Posted by Zoozie

Another good MG slot 'strategy' is the double up feature. If a double up enabled slot gives you a good feature round. (maybe 200$). Then leave the game. Later (even after cashout) when you get a bonus you can go back to this slot and THEN take the double up as first thing.

So, you're saying that you'll receive the winnings, then quit the game, come back in and double it with no risk involved? That's all out fraud, if you ask me. If the casino catches this, they would have every right to void all of their play, refund deposits and lock their account.

This is again similar to the agressive roulette betting on a bonus. Except it is done on slots and with no house egde. I am not sure this still works, but it did for a long time. I had up to 3 double-up features on different slots waiting for me at the same casinos sometimes.

Seeing as how the first scenario is out and out thievery, how can you even compare it to an aggressive roulette betting strategy? At least with that, there is still an element of risk involved. What you described in the beginning is a 100% no-risk EXPLOIT in the double-up slots. I can assure you that the double-up feature in any game wasn't programmed to work like that, and is definitely a loophole.

Oh well, at least now when a MG rep comes across this thread and reads all about this, I'm sure they'll pass it on to MG and they'll close up the hole, if it still exists.

[Zoozie]

Originally Posted by winbig

So, you're saying that you'll receive the winnings, then quit the game, come back in and double it with no risk involved? That's all out fraud, if you ask me. If the casino catches this, they would have every right to void all of their play, refund deposits and lock their account.

No, I can not double with empty balance. I need the credits in my balance at least the size of the gamble. But I do this with a new deposit(+bonus). There still is a risk. Just like agressive roulette betting with a bonus.
The reason to do it with slots, is that you can play slot-only bonuses this way. (and the house egde is a little better)

[winbig]

Originally Posted by Zoozie

No, I can not double with empty balance. I need the credits in my balance at least the size of the gamble. But I do this with a new deposit(+bonus). There still is a risk. Just like agressive roulette betting with a bonus.
The reason to do it with slots, is that you can play slot-only bonuses this way. (and the house egde is a little better)

Gotcha. Told ya I was confused. I thought you were talking about a risk-free doubleup opportunity

[vinylweatherman]

Originally Posted by Zoozie

I do not find the 'build up the bank' strategy abuse. It is the shady section of bonus play. But if the T&C does not mention anything about it, it is legal until it specific mentions it. One of the challenges of gambling is to find
an edge. And this is an important aspect for any succesfull gambler. For me that is also part of ' the game' besides playing the casino games.

In fact this strategy is similar to building up loyalty points which you redeem later. Rival casino are generous with loyalty point and the have no roll-over. With a 100$ bonus it is common to build up 5$ loyalty. I always only redeem these in combination with a cashout.



Was it the the original EZBonus rules where you could cashout at any time and forfeit unconverted bonus?

Another good MG slot 'strategy' is the double up feature. If a double up enabled slot gives you a good feature round. (maybe 200$). Then leave the game. Later (even after cashout) when you get a bonus you can go back to this slot and THEN take the double up as first thing. This is again similar to the agressive roulette betting on a bonus. Except it is done on slots and with no house egde. I am not sure this still works, but it did for a long time. I had up to 3 double-up features on different slots waiting for me at the same casinos sometimes.

Nope, I said "sometimes no bonus was involved".

The slot double up still sits around after you exit the game, however there is no "exploit" in the software, other than being able to make a large 50/50 bet "roulette style" on a slot with a loyalty slots bonus for existing players. This probably explains the odd term I spotted at Purple Lounge, where the double up feature on slots was so "prohibited" that they could confiscate winnings if you used it with a bonus.

NewOrleans has proved to be full of "hot air" though, it seems the RTG strategy with Frozen Assets is the only "knowledge" he ever had, and it was even guarded against in the bonus rules for the Virtual casinos.

It seems his rant at the Palace Group was what got him banned in the end, I have no idea WHAT he was smokin' - but it surely has to be stronger than what Rival "were smokin'" when they bonus banned a player for "the way they played the slots" (unless, of course, they have a double-up feature like the ones at MG ).

[winbig]

Originally Posted by vinylweatherman

when they bonus banned a player for "the way they played the slots" (unless, of course, they have a double-up feature like the ones at MG ).

You mean players....