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    Rival casinos-How they ban your play after win

    Recently i had a very good day at Rival Casinos which i love to play, althou i lost more then won in last year. But on Friday i had good session. First i made 2 withdrawals at Simon Says for 800 and 500, then after losing in cocoa and pantasia i won at Superior and made 3 withdrawals for 1k. Me happy
    Then first thing i noticed after few hours to cool down, was, that at Superior i can't make any large bet anymore. Coin size was 5cent maximum, not as before that i could play 50cent coin size. Asked online help, they sugested i restart and all will be ok. In that time i got mail from cocoa for 10$nd chip and 100% promo that is waiting in cashier, as always after losing deposits. Tryed to redeem 10$ chip, was denied. Also for 100% deposit bonus. Asked online why is that, as i got mail for those promos, and after a while i was informed that managment decide that i'm not eglible for any promotions. Tried to get reason, but they are not obliged to tell me why. That was strange, since in cocoa i was only ever make one or 2 withdrawals and much more deposits. Then tried other Rivals and everywhere i was denied bonuses. Finnally one guy in online help told me that i was banned for promotions in all Rival casinos except Slotos Cash. And that, they are not obliged to tell me reason for ban.From Simon Says i even gotr mail that i can play with them, but no more promotions for me.
    Biggest surprise came from Superior casinos, that they are not agreeing with Rivals about that policy, and i'm welcomed at their casino, and they will gave me all the promotions that i deserve, since they aplaud winning players not as Rival casinos policy to ban someone who won something. Just sended papers that Superior required for withdraw. Now we will see what SimonSays will do. Maybe they will even acuse me a bonus abuser, since i dont even know how to become one, but guess they have right to not disclose this to me.

    So far i only had good expirience with Rivals, and this one struck me. Guess only Superior casino and Slotoscash will stay. Hope money will come eventually. So far i never waited more then one or 2 days, guess that will change.
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    How about that for a quick replay.
    40 minutes, after i sended documents to security department at Superior casino i got this for reply:

    Many thanks for sending Superior Casino the requested documents. I am pleased to confirm that they have been reviewed and accepted by our security department. Your deposit limits will now be increased and/ or your withdrawal processed.

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    TIV did the same thing to me. Worst part was there was a $200 birthday bonus for me to claim that I couldnt because of "reasons" they didnt have to tell me. After speaking with the rep here at CM he told me that my BJ and VP play outside of slots was nearly perfect and this was the reason the computer picked me out as a winner. I was told I could continue to play at TIV but I would not receive bonuses.

    Its a shame because I moved over to the other Rivals (sloto, superior, simons says, etc) and havent won jack. Not even a withdrawal.

    I guess I was labeled a skilled player even though I mainly played slots. I just thought I was lucky for a change.


    PD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pocketdiggers77 View Post
    After speaking with the rep here at CM he told me that my BJ and VP play outside of slots was nearly perfect and this was the reason the computer picked me out as a winner. I was told I could continue to play at TIV but I would not receive bonuses.
    So they only want people that don't know how to play anything but slots as players? I love the "nearly" perfect remark. I guess you'd get a total ban from the casino if you played perfectly?

    That is ridiculous. They, more than anyone, should know that even with a 1-2% HA that Blackjack offers, the casino IS ALWAYS GOING TO WIN in the LONG RUN.
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    This seems like the breaking news story of the day here, so as long as you are losing in their casinos you will continue to get bonuses but once you make a cashout you are considered a skilled player or bonus abuser and you will be banned from future bonuses and promotions ??

    I'm curious now why they have not banned KK from bonuses with his play and cashouts just like the one from the thread the other day ??

    I could never imagine Harrah's Land Based casino doing something like this !!

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    Worst of all is this "cloak and dagger" bullshit, trying to make out the player has done something "fraudulent" and saying they cannot reveal why they suddenly find their coin size reduced, and bonuses denied. They make things worse still by seeking to "criminalize" the player by still sending out the mailers, and showing offers in the cashier, but having these denied for "reasons". It is a bit like when a child questions a parent, and is told "because....." as they are expected to obey without fuss. Perhaps Rival prefer players with the mental capacity of "children" who will play and play without showing "responsibility", but need to get rid of "adult" players who play well, and cash out after a decent streak rather than losing it all back.

    This further reveals that this "central database" is far more sinister than we were lead to believe. It was supposed to be for identification of "bonus abusers", and to prevent them from hitting all the Rival casinos. Now, it seems it is set to log merely lucky WINNERS, who play within "the spirit of the offers", yet have a lucky streak followed by the good sense to cash out.

    Superior seem to have broken ranks, realising that "luck" is just that, and a lucky player, enticed back, is likely to have more LOSING streaks than winning ones. They seem to be happy to reveal that this is an overall Rival policy targeted at winners and good players, and nothing to do with the sins of fraud or "bonus abuse". Slot O Cash are the ONLY independent Rival, all the rest are one big group, just as Jackpot Factory are the overall operators of their five casinos. All these "new" Rivals springing up seem to be "white labels" of Rival Central, and information is shared between them all. Likely to confuse players, who may well have over a DOZEN accounts with what is really only ONE operator, so they may indeed view as "to be got rid of" a player who opens accounts at a large number of "new" Rival casinos, and plays with promotions in most or all of them.

    Rival need not bother refusing to offer explanations, as over the last year this "secret policy" has become clearer, and any player reading this, and other, threads about Rival bans will have a good idea what they got banned for.

    Other casinos also bonus ban players for simply being lucky, rather than playing "perfectly" to maximise each and every bonus offered, and never playing without one. Rival seem to have gone to an extreme, with cashins of relatively small amounts seem enough to trigger these bans, whereas other casinos wait for larger, and more consistent performance, before bonus banning players, and they do it better, the offers just don't come.

    The simple answer is to uninstall all the Rivals except Superior and Slot O Cash, and any player who finds their bonuses have stopped working should immediately assume they are banned for "winning" at ALL their Rival accounts except these two, rather than wasting their time with support, who will simply lead them round in circles. (A bit like Casino Rewards behave really).
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    I only play at Slotocash and I have never had this happen. I just cashed out $1300 to and still have $1000 to go and I still get the same comps I always have and I can guarantee I could bet $20 per spin or better if I so choose.

    How strange. I know some people who have been bonus banned from Rivals. I never play with a bonus unless it is the monthly 100%. Don't know if that makes a difference or not.

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    I wasnt going to post this but I really dont give a flying flip anymore. Some of you may find it troubling. I did.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by thisisvegas
    Hi PD,

    I checked security and you are no longer eligible for bonuses. It seems your blackjack and video poker efficiencies are nearly perfect and your cashins are almost always barely over the minimum wagering. Although you are allowed to do this and you will get paid the system will naturally flag accounts like this and make those players bonus ineligible. I am afraid I cannot change this. I know this may upset you but at least we don't lock accounts and confiscate winnings.

    Hope that helps to explain everything, sorry you couldn't get the birthday bonus but I hope you had a great day and at least other casinos tossed you some ND bonuses.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Pocketdiggers77
    You make it sound like I should be grateful my account wasnt locked and winnings confiscated.
    Unbelievable. My apologies for being a winner at your establishment.


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    I am sorry but I don't expect anybody to like hearing what I just said. Again there is nothing wrong with being a winner at the casino but it does have the right to deny bonuses. I am just reinstating the policy of not confiscating winnings which seems like many other places do. Maybe I should have left that out but I am just trying to give you an answer and not the generic answer of we cannot allow bonuses.

    John

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    They are going one step further by stating these remarks and a poor choice of words at that. It seems that they want to ensure that every players loses at each and every one of their casinos. I have won at both TIV and Absolute Slots and they now ban me from promotions and I also had a free chip denied when it was due because they just had me on their 'no-promo list' in the nick of time. Cocoa is even worse. I made a deposit with no bonuses and lost all. When I asked why there were no promotions offered in the cashier they simply said I wasnt eligible for it. Disgusted, I closed my account right away. Only casinos like Paradise 8, Lion Slots and Irish Luck still give me promos because I am losing there. Slotocash is the only exception. I think I am still up there and as Anniemac said they still give me the comps and bonuses.

    They sure are a short-sighted bunch. The bonuses all come with WRs that are calculated to make you lose in the long run so even if you are ahead because of them your lead will gradually be whittled down. Without bonuses, slot play with high variance becomes very unattractive. I play Scary Rich only when I take bonuses because even if I do lose I get more play time. Well, rant over and since the scrooges prefer to do it this way I dont patronise them. That's all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuchu59 View Post
    They sure are a short-sighted bunch. The bonuses all come with WRs that are calculated to make you lose in the long run so even if you are ahead because of them your lead will gradually be whittled down. Without bonuses, slot play with high variance becomes very unattractive. I play Scary Rich only when I take bonuses because even if I do lose I get more play time. Well, rant over and since the scrooges prefer to do it this way I dont patronise them. That's all.

    That's the part I don't understand. With just the right amount of wagering requirements for each bonus, they can make it near mathematically impossible to "beat" the bonus if you play Blackjack, VP or any other game that is considered a "vantage" game.

    ...especially if the bonuses were phantoms to begin with...

    Why let a player roam free without any wagering requirements? It seems to me that they'll win MORE off of no bonus than even the smallest of them. Heck, why not get rid of all table and VP games while they're at it? That'll just leave the FUN games of Craps, Roulette, Keno and Slots.....ya know, those that have a huge HA.
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