So long, MG. Wish you know you have lost one loyal player 's trust.

[bernynhel]

I think Bern is getting Thunderstruck confused with Tomb Raider... ?
There is TR1 & TR2, but only one TS as far a I know...KK

You are absolutely right KK I stand corrected. Glad that any confusion as to which slot I feel that MG chose so unwisely for their free rolls let alone, given the volumes of redly, available performance data on the tournament pages of so many MG casino, that anyone would actually risk their own money on it, has been eliminated.

I think the same too with the cycling and mode switching. The "official" explanation is that our brains are seeing a pattern where none exists because they are designed to search out patterns to help in deciding what to do next.

If brains are not designed that way then we do our best to "customize" them as best we can to work that way. What gambler wouldn't want to hone that kind of ability? The problem with slots is that the huge variety of games, symbols used on reels and the billions of combinations, especially with 5 reel bonus games, makes it very difficult to recognize, let alone attach any reliable deduction to the way a losing spin's reels have aligned themselves. So losing spins offer little or no help, for the most part, in deciding what to do next. However, we all have our favorites that we, at least, feel we "know like the back of our hands" (so why are we still here instead of chillin on our own private isle?) and on these selected games its possible to get a feel for hot streaks and dry spells.

With card games (as far as their online application goes, these are just more slots which use cards instead of symbols on reels) we are dealing with visual images we are well accustomed to and are finite across all games, limited to the same 52 - 54 images we have known all our lives. I am compiling what I feel to be very provocative sampling on an image hosting site which will illustrate exactly this. I feel that the wildest imaginations expressed in this thread are probably very close to the truth and that any doubts by some will be eliminated through my simple illustration. More later.

[RobWin]

True Randomness vs Weighted Reels vs Patterns vs Reel Strips Fluctuation...

Were all screwed, if we keep thinking we are ever going to get a fair game from all of these unregulated online casinos...who are we kidding ? Me included...

[Jane_E]

I have drop al MG casino somthing have happend impossibel to win anymore befor MG casino was NR1 but now they are one of the worst casino software online , i will never play at any MG casino again i will play on landbased casino insted , so MG have lost a highroller ;-) and i am sure they will lose a lots of players , do they think pepoel still they play then they never win deposite 20-30 times and no whithdrawel lol ofcorse somthing stinks and they will lose a shithload of players if this countinue !!!!!!!

[oyw7862]

Yes, the winning cycles are so rare on MG slots.
Recall my last play - the first free spin I got at Alljackpots is after 463 dry spins.
Then I turned to FL - the first free spin is after 721 dry spins.

I total got 7 free spins and lost 2650$(700 AJ + 1950$ FL) in 3 hours play at 2.25$ and 12 deposits, none of them even went up a single Fxxking $.

I am closing all my MG accounts inc. DASH/32Red, Alljackpots etc.

On this issue, I do not blame casinos, I blame MG.

As I wrote to one casino rep, either this issue is a bug or a bad business practice.

As you may all read my summary on last years play, I do have a lot of good wins on TS, but I still 50K lost, I can not bet the 5% house edge.

I just want some fun, and you take it and want more hard earned cash from me.

That is not fair!

[brianzz]

These "patterns" are spreading to other games, break da bank again looks like the most recent victim. The past few days I've gone no less than 180 spins between just 2 scatters, when in reality it should be 20 to 30 spins with the 3rd landing about every 150th spin (on average). But it's very obvious something internally has changed.

Looks like another halfway decent game has gone the way of Hitman, hundreds and hundreds of losing spins with the occasional 1/4 or 1/2 your bet returned on a winning spin. Since Hitman is available for tournament play now, hopefully they'll replace that god awful Thunderstruck or Tomb Raider, the scores will confirm this theory.

And on a possibly unrelated note, did anyone catch the update when you start up MG casinos one day last week ....... casino loading goes to about 23% then closes and restarts quickly and loads normally but once you get logged in no games update and nothing cosmetic has changed.. hmmm, loading new reel strips? Not to mention the on again and off again jackpot thermometers as they make extraordinary changes between games and go back to what they originally were just a few moments later. I did notice the Isis and Supe It Up thermometers swapping with each other with a regular frequency

[kimss]

I total got 7 free spins and lost 2650$(700 AJ + 1950$ FL) in 3 hours play at 2.25$ and 12 deposits, none of them even went up a single Fxxking $.

I am pretty sure this is a casino account you have had for some while? Not a new one? As mentioned earlier new accounts are gold it seems, since the "previous gaming history" cannot be used against you.

I opened a new acocunt at canbet with the meister150 promo, starting at €120. I startet small and was upto €950 in an hour. Then it went down again, the last €100 was devided in long runs on several slots, but now it was pretty impossible to win so all went in €0.01 - €0.50 spins.

This has to be the 5th new MG casino I promoed and made the initial depost(including bonus) atleast tripple, only to fade away.

It only goes to show that I can win - however I sure can loose. This is a little strange really, since always winning in the start should not become always loosing hard... Unless you take this logic into account:

If I could make €100 become €500, surely if I deposit another fresh €100 I can make those become €500 again?

The fun part is, what really happends, is that you deposit €500 and get back to somewhere in between €400-€500 only after depositing €500 - and by that time you are all warm and fuzzy and tired of the game and up the ante - and as by some miraculous power the upped spins are eaten quickly!

I will do a bet soon with some friends, and I should document it!

My bet is as follows:

Open up 10 new accounts with promo - all accounts starting with say $100.
I will atleast make 75% of the accounts become +$200.

Surely I cant withdraw due to the T&C, however my bet is only that I can double the money in a fresh account, and I will bet $1000 with my friends. If I loose I loose $1000 + 10x$50 = $1500, if I win I win $500.

That's a bad bet, but for some reason I have a feeling I will win. Again, last 5 I trippled the money! Now that's a special statistics comming from a man loosing all the time - that is - in excisiting accounts!

When that is said, it was fun spinning at canbet - a €30 cost for 4 hours of fun! (However, should have withdrawn, LOL, as usual, however I am not depositing more! Been there done that. KK is right - only way to play MG is with promo money - otherwise you do not have a chance)

Now I hope someone proove me wrong here with some data - and not with opinions!

[kimss]

Quick explernation on the bet: $1000 + 10x$50

$1000 bet that I am right

all casinoes have atleast 100% match for $50, so to make $100 bankroll you need 10 x $50 deposits, a total of $1500 to start with.

Also, you choose dollars since they are the least worth, and yes - you will loose it all in the end since by the time you are able to withdraw any there is nothing left unless you do a KK and lowroll on autoplay. 1 line on $0.01 autospin seems to give above 100% payout in the longrun, however you need quite a few spins to dry it out and the casino would most likely (lol) cut you out for misusing the bonus or something.

Anyway, I still love gambling - I have nothing against the casinos really - it's the software I do not like!

[Rusty]

You will find these same patterns in other software Kimss.
The most blatant of bonus cheats are Rival.
Take a large bonus match (200%+) and hit nicely, you are almost certain to double your balance.
If you are doing very well the software over compensates when you get to around halfway through your WR so you will get well below 50% return over several hundred spins.
It is very,very obvious that weighting is being used.

If you ever find a software provider that has truely random slots with no weighting and transparent payout percentages that are never altered please let me know.

You could say the Casinos have a limited choice when it comes to software provider but surely it is a case of the software companies giving the Casinos what they want.
They are both equally to blame in my view.

By the way I won't be taking you up on that bet

[oyw7862]

Just sth to mention: Thanks for Kimss,I tried an account I did not play for a long time.
Today, I got sth strange on TS:
In less than 1000 spins I got 5 ice hammers - 6 times the feature just keep hitting, no miss out.
I only deposited 100$ and in less then 1 hour , my balance is 2700$.

I did not cashout neither continue playing, I just leave it there for 1 week, later let me see if I will still get dry spells after big wins.

[bernynhel]

In Las Vegas there's the Nevada Gaming Commission which regulates gaming and checks for any devices, rigged roulette wheels, funny dice, whatever - something like the U.S. Department of Weights and Measures checks the accuracy of scales used for commerce as well as gas pumps, etc. I assume there's a similar commission in New Jersey though I wouldn't know about more recent casinos in other states, particularly those operated on Native American Lands, many of whom claim and are granted a certain degree of soverignity.

Even though online casinos operate completely unregulated and that the claims of some of these sites, in attempt to appear "legitimate", have their games "checked" by various independent entities who offer their services, for a fee, to the casinos is laughable, at best, somehow I have still managed to cash out amounts from US$17,000-32,000 on three different occasions over the past three years. The first two were at Playtech sister casinos, Golden Palace Casino and Grand Online casino, respectively, within one week of each other with royal flushes playing jacks or better. The second at Grand Online consisting of two RFs, 15 minutes betting $25 then $125. The last was on Loaded at UK Casino Club before its acquisition by Casino Rewards. The screen shot is here:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...tml#post188944
The total sum of those wins plus various other, smaller cash outs, is approximately 1/10 of the total amount of funds I have deposited into online casino over the same time period though not necessarily at the casinos where I cashed out.

And I think I'm in it for the money.