what's up with Mega Moolah?

[vinylweatherman]

Q If not, do MG change the % from time to time on any given games and if so, which games?

A Not possible. The software would be unfair and MicroGaming would basically have full control over the casino's. The games run on different algorithms which is why you have good and bad luck streaks. None of this is predetermined by MicroGaming or the casino.

Exactly HOW is this "random" then. Surely the fact that games are "different" from each other would NOT have ANY connection with "good or bad streaks".

MG certainly HAVE changed Mega Moolah. There is simply NO WAY they are going to dig themselves out of this particular hole. They have NOT released a "new game", they have changed the EXISTING Mega Moolah slot such that the Mini and Minor jackpots trigger far less frequently, and for generally larger amounts. The change is so striking as to be undeniable.

IMO, had the weirdest experience with MM this morning. MINI was 61 dolalrs and small change when I hit random jackpot feature. The wheel spinned. Naturally (and as always for me), only MINI was won The moment spinning stopped, the MINI JP reading on the left bar was exactly at $62.00. Next thing I saw, the message on top of the wheel - saying "YOU WON $18.82!!!"

WTH? Could it be that smb else won 62 bucks MINI half second (or less?!) before me, and it was reset to $18 which I got?! In any case, it left somewhat bad aftertaste... weird...

This would be highly likely under the old rules, but is VERY suspicious looking now that when during play we see that wins of the jackpot are around once every half hour. This could also be highly worrying, as it might indicate these high figures are just nonsense, and the jackpots pay as before, but a good deal LESS often, and this would seem to offer a lowered payout.

[KasinoKing]

Nah I don't, it is obvious for anyone who is not looking through Casino tinted spectacles.
and that is all I have to say about that.

Yes obviously they way some bonus games are set up weighting needs to be used, I said as much.

It's fair enough you saying you don't see a scatter on a reel for 50 spins or whatever, but what about when it appears 10 times in 30 spins? Is their scarceness just your perception because you are intentionally looking for runs of them not hitting, and not looking for runs of them hitting a lot?

Nope, but thanks for the patronising remark.

Why would I be looking for anything?

Sorry I did not intend to sound patronising - I thought that was a fair & reasonable question in the light of your claims.

I do not look through 'casino tinted spectacles'. I am a real player who risks my own deposited money every day at online casinos. I have made profit 77 out of the 88 months I've been playing online, with the last 4 years being nearly all slots play.
Now I'm not saying I can prove that casinos are NOT rigged - all I can say is I personally have not seen anything to conclusively say that they are.

From all your posts, it's seems you are looking for something; a reason why you lose beyond the natural house edge of the slots.
I have no idea why your luck should be any different to mine - the webcam thing is a good idea!
(When I get broadband back - I'm on dial-up at the moment! )
Same applies too Audiman, Kimss & oyw; I can't explain what you're experiencing. I am not saying anyone is lying here - just that I have not seen it myself. Maybe it's true that it only effects high-rollers, because that's something I very rarely do.

If I may just correct you here:-

However on the 4th reel in Cashapillar there are Two scatter symbols not too far apart.
When you play the game and have Two scatters already and after a little time and you know the reel is close to stopping and see the first one go past you know from experience the second has a good chance of hitting.

The 4th reel has 3 scatters, not 2.
As explained in my "Cashapillar dissected" thread - you can not predict where the reels will stop because the final positions are 'cut in' just a few milliseconds before they do stop. The spinning of the reels beforehand is just 'eye candy' (although on this particular slot this eye candy is a true representation of the layout of the reels).

Odds of hitting a scatter (reels 1 - 5): 1 in 15.8, 1 in 14.8, 1 in 14.8, 1 in 6.27, 1 in 9.40

I hope your luck takes a turn for the better soon!

[Rusty]

Sorry I did not intend to sound patronising - I thought that was a fair & reasonable question in the light of your claims.

I do not look through 'casino tinted spectacles'. I am a real player who risks my own deposited money every day at online casinos. I have made profit 77 out of the 88 months I've been playing online, with the last 4 years being nearly all slots play.
Now I'm not saying I can prove that casinos are NOT rigged - all I can say is I personally have not seen anything to conclusively say that they are.

From all your posts, it's seems you are looking for something; a reason why you lose beyond the natural house edge of the slots.
I have no idea why your luck should be any different to mine - the webcam thing is a good idea!
(When I get broadband back - I'm on dial-up at the moment! )
Same applies too Audiman, Kimss & oyw; I can't explain what you're experiencing. I am not saying anyone is lying here - just that I have not seen it myself. Maybe it's true that it only effects high-rollers, because that's something I very rarely do.

If I may just correct you here:-

The 4th reel has 3 scatters, not 2.
As explained in my "Cashapillar dissected" thread - you can not predict where the reels will stop because the final positions are 'cut in' just a few milliseconds before they do stop. The spinning of the reels beforehand is just 'eye candy' (although on this particular slot this eye candy is a true representation of the layout of the reels).

Odds of hitting a scatter (reels 1 - 5): 1 in 15.8, 1 in 14.8, 1 in 14.8, 1 in 6.27, 1 in 9.40

I hope your luck takes a turn for the better soon!

Gahhh, I said I would not reply here but you got me KK
One at time
Sorry I did not intend to sound patronising - I thought that was a fair & reasonable question in the light of your claims.

My claims or your claims?
Anyway it is the way you phrase it that makes it hard to see as anything other than patronising.

Now I'm not saying I can prove that casinos are NOT rigged - all I can say is I personally have not seen anything to conclusively say that they are.

I am not saying that I can prove they are rigged or even that they ARE rigged-all I can say is that there is plenty of evidence that suggests the slots are weighted.
I have seen plenty of games of find the Lady on street corners and I know that is rigged but I have always seen someone win
Online we have to play find the lady blindfolded so anyone who goes into it assuming it is a fair game needs a rethink.
Only suspicion will keep Casinos honest if indeed they are honest to begin with.
That leads me to;

From all your posts, it's seems you are looking for something

I see what I see and report it.
If you check your original reply to me you will see that you managed to ignore what I said about weighting in bonus games, that is an example of seeing what you want to see.
Another is when you say 50 spins instead of the 150 I said.
Another is when you corrct me that there are 3 scatters on the 4th Reel when I did not say otherwise, I was simply referring to the Two scatters on that reel that are close together which brings me to;

As explained in my "Cashapillar dissected" thread - you can not predict where the reels will stop because the final positions are 'cut in' just a few milliseconds before they do stop. The spinning of the reels beforehand is just 'eye candy' (although on this particular slot this eye candy is a true representation of the layout of the reels).

The spinning of the reels is just a graphical representation but the final animation is cut in long before (relative to the timeframes we are talking) you are suggesting. (it has to be or it would look terrible I would suggest at least 7 symbols animation length) How far apart are those 2 scatters?
This is why the effect is noticeable.
If it always existed I would not expect to see one scatter follow the other and trigger the feature as happened Hundreds of times before.
That is my point, something was different.
That said the fact Cashapillar reels are so long is a valid reason to reset the reel animation IMO and I have not noticed it in other MG slots unlike RTG to be fair. Still it would be better just to playback at higher FPS and have proper reel representation.

Finally;
You have dial up?
and KK...you know I love you

[me_and_ed]

Maybe I have not read enough but has anybody from MG come to answer the question of change here, this is what the topic was, wasn't it?

[Rusty]

Maybe I have not read enough but has anybody from MG come to answer the question of change here, this is what the topic was, wasn't it?

Yes MEGA MOOLAH sorry for the derail.

[KasinoKing]

The final derail! (I hope - otherwise lets start another thread!)

If you check your original reply to me you will see that you managed to ignore what I said about weighting in bonus games, that is an example of seeing what you want to see.
Another is when you say 50 spins instead of the 150 I said.
Another is when you corrct me that there are 3 scatters on the 4th Reel when I did not say otherwise, I was simply referring to the Two scatters on that reel that are close together ...

I deliberately did not mention the weighting of the bonus games because that is a separate issue.
We are discussing the weighting (or not) of the reels during normal play.

I know you said 150, I just picked the figure 50 as an example.

Sorry about the 2 scatters bit - I did misread that!

The spinning of the reels is just a graphical representation but the final animation is cut in long before (relative to the timeframes we are talking) you are suggesting. (it has to be or it would look terrible I would suggest at least 7 symbols animation length) How far apart are those 2 scatters?
This is why the effect is noticeable.
If it always existed I would not expect to see one scatter follow the other and trigger the feature as happened Hundreds of times before.
That is my point, something was different.
That said the fact Cashapillar reels are so long is a valid reason to reset the reel animation IMO and I have not noticed it in other MG slots unlike RTG to be fair. Still it would be better just to playback at higher FPS and have proper reel representation.

From my observations on Cashapillar the 'cut-in' actually seems to vary between about 1 up to 4 symbols before the stop on ALL the reels.
I admit I was very surprised to see this - I would have expected them to be all the same.
Just play it for a little while & look out for 2 of the same symbol appearing next to each other, or less than 5 stacked wilds together just before each reel stops & I'm sure you will see what I mean.

Other MG slots do have this 'cut-in' - I've noticed it on some of the other fairly new ones where the reels spin slowly enough to see the symbols: The Osbournes definitely, and Glory of Rome too, I think.

Those 2 scatters are 5 symbols apart, but I can't believe you asked me that! I spent 100's of hours (OK, about 20 ) plotting out the reel layouts just for you (link in my signature) - and you don't use it.
You're no friend of mine!

[Rusty]

You see, I say I love you and what do I get?

You're no friend of mine!

[retlaw]

Money-wise, it was not big enough to make me mad
However, I contacted Live Help and asked if they can comment. The rep said he'd investigate and email me... I'll post the email here once I get it

Fleur-De-Lis : did you get already an email from the casino?

[Fleur-De-Lis]

Nope, no answer, no email so far. Do you think I should get on Live Chat and enquire again?

[kimss]

Maybe it's true that it only effects high-rollers, because that's something I very rarely do.

That's a given KK - low rolling seems fairer - it's when you wager harder it all changes! To me it's more like the system has a trigger, and with higher best you activate this "conditional statement" if you like.

I know you win, but you should try depositing $500-$1500 a day and loosing 30 days in a row doing say $2.25 - $5 spins, you would most likely change your tune darn fast! And my point of reference is that the gameplay changes, not being a sore looser!