Rival report - stay away?

[KasinoKing]

The amount of different symbols,the reel length, paytable structure,wilds and scatters,frequency of bonus rounds,bonus min/max payout etc
It is a bit like space and time, variance and RTP are inextricably linked

But for example lets take a slot that plays like a rival slot.
Very few winning spins with probably no higher than a 30% RTP through normal play and in my experience less.
Yet the paytables are comparable with other slot games on other software.
In fact if we take as the reels turn 3 as an example the lowest payout for 5 of a kind is 65 much lower than other payouts and the top 1000 again much lower than other payouts so the paytable suggests it is a low variance game.
Indeed there do not seem to be more symbols but less so winning spins should be more frequent than comparable slots on other software not less but that is another though important argument which can be made better when the reel layout is known.

Like you say, the paytable alone is meaningless - the layout of the symbols (i.e. how many on each reel) is all important. Cashapillar is a classic example of this with distributions mostly like: 15 - 1 - 15 - 1 - 15.

.... so it would be terribly useful if someone could crack the reels of a standard 15line Rival freespin slot. To be continued...

Agreed.
I've done more than my fair share - how about one of you two having a go at cracking a Rival slot?

KK

[lancia]

I too have suffered through a recent long string of losing sessions at Rival casinos, but only after a previous long string of successful ones. The recent losing streak involved not just slots (Scary Rich, Dog Pound, and Hole in Won) but also 4-hand and 10-hand Jacks-or-Better Video Poker. But because I continued to be treated well by some of the Rival Casinos, I decided to try again at Lion Slots Casino and document my play.

I deposited $100 and received a $100 bonus with a 34X deposit play-through on slots. I chose Hole in Won to play at $0.75 per spin. I started with $200, reached a low of $120, reached a high of $462, and ended up with a cash-out of $380. I got 45 bonus spins out of a total of 4534 spins. These bonuses were reached after (in order) these consecutive spins: 247, 295, 21, 70, 20, 15, 32, 85, 190, 209, 81, 193, 160, 162, 180, 102, 65, 41, 5, 17, 120, 64, 63, 255, 74, 11, 245, 39, 16, 319, 53, 49, 44, 176, 106, 81, 97, 127, 79, 115, 105, 11, 22, 33, and 1. There were 39 spins remaining after the last bonus to meet wagering requirements. The average frequency of bonuses was 1 per 100.76 spins. In these 4534 spins were only 1 spin with all three wild symbols and 4 spins with 4 birdie bonus triggers. Of the bonus games, all balls were sunk with 2 strokes except for 2 with holes in one.

Finally, I accumulated $11 in comps by playing Hole in Won and used that money to play Scary Rich at $0.20 per spin. After only hundred or so spins, I cashed out $70 more.

[KasinoKing]

I too have suffered through a recent long string of losing sessions at Rival casinos, but only after a previous long string of successful ones. The recent losing streak involved not just slots (Scary Rich, Dog Pound, and Hole in Won) but also 4-hand and 10-hand Jacks-or-Better Video Poker. But because I continued to be treated well by some of the Rival Casinos, I decided to try again at Lion Slots Casino and document my play.

I deposited $100 and received a $100 bonus with a 34X deposit play-through on slots. I chose Hole in Won to play at $0.75 per spin. I started with $200, reached a low of $120, reached a high of $462, and ended up with a cash-out of $380. I got 45 bonus spins out of a total of 4534 spins. These bonuses were reached after (in order) these consecutive spins: 247, 295, 21, 70, 20, 15, 32, 85, 190, 209, 81, 193, 160, 162, 180, 102, 65, 41, 5, 17, 120, 64, 63, 255, 74, 11, 245, 39, 16, 319, 53, 49, 44, 176, 106, 81, 97, 127, 79, 115, 105, 11, 22, 33, and 1. There were 39 spins remaining after the last bonus to meet wagering requirements. The average frequency of bonuses was 1 per 100.76 spins. In these 4534 spins were only 1 spin with all three wild symbols and 4 spins with 4 birdie bonus triggers. Of the bonus games, all balls were sunk with 2 strokes except for 2 with holes in one.

Finally, I accumulated $11 in comps by playing Hole in Won and used that money to play Scary Rich at $0.20 per spin. After only hundred or so spins, I cashed out $70 more.

Thanks for those stats - that's awsome!
(I thought I was the only saddo who recorded every spin he plays )

Great putting too - none over 2 putts?
Mind you, I strongly suspect the number of puts has absolutely no effect on the prize awarded - just like catching the burger filling on Jacques Pot has no effect on the win.
You don't have the prize awarded for each bonus round do you?
I would love to see that!

I can't believe you did the whole WR on just one game though - that's dedication!!!

[lancia]

I've learned that there are tricks to getting the ball close to the hole in one stroke. Try rebounding off the obstacles; some rebounds work surprisingly well.

I stay with one slot if the returns are generally keeping me above the original stake. On this occasion, I started in the hole with long spells before bonuses. But after the first two bonuses, I then settled into a pretty good run that lasted me the entire time.

[zebedy]

does it actually matter what symbols are on the reels, being a video slot,
only ive noticed on certain spins, on the first 2 reels you get 2 symbols the same then when the 3rd reel is about to stop and the symbols completely change, like you hit 2 scatters on reels 1&2 you see the 3rd scatter and if the reels played correctly it would stop on reel 3 , but it doesnt,
it just seems to me that any symbol could stop on the winline no matter what the reel layout is, like 5 scatters suddenly appearing on reel 5 when the mapout only showed 2

[GGW Laurie]

i voted rival, very hard to win there imo, 3 dice seems to hit better on features either when playing low or high rolling it, i have to be fair and say i have won a few times at a rival casino but in the long run i have always done better at 3 dice despite the variances......laurie

[KasinoKing]

does it actually matter what symbols are on the reels, being a video slot,
only ive noticed on certain spins, on the first 2 reels you get 2 symbols the same then when the 3rd reel is about to stop and the symbols completely change, like you hit 2 scatters on reels 1&2 you see the 3rd scatter and if the reels played correctly it would stop on reel 3 , but it doesnt,
it just seems to me that any symbol could stop on the winline no matter what the reel layout is, like 5 scatters suddenly appearing on reel 5 when the mapout only showed 2

Please see this thread: http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...-analysed.html

In particular,this bit:-

The Spin Graphics:
The reels spins, like many newer MG slots, are actually a graphic representation of all the symbols in the correct order. However, you may notice a 'jump' just before they stop spinning and maybe see only 1-4 wilds together even though you know there are 5 together per reel, or you may see 2 identical symbols next to each other. The reason for this is fairly obvious; the finishing position of each reel is determined by the RNG the instant you hit spin. The reels then start 'spinning', carrying on from the last position. The software then 'inserts' the finishing position for each reel (sometimes with a small overlap) just before it stops spinning.
e.g. Suppose the symbols were numbered 1 to 50 on a reel, and the RNG choose 5-9 to be displayed, you could see this in the spin:-
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
Where red is the 'cut in' for the finishing symbols, which are the bold ones.

What this means is you can not predict from the early part of the spin, what your final symbols might be.

[lancia]

Mind you, I strongly suspect the number of puts has absolutely no effect on the prize awarded

As far as I have experienced, the number of putts does affect the bonus awarded, given the same wager and the same number of triggering scatter symbols. For a $0.75 wager and three triggering scatter symbols, a hole in one always awards $30 and a two putt always awards $22.50. A three putt always awards correspondingly less. For a $0.75 wager and four triggering scatter symbols, the payouts are higher, e.g., a two putt always awards $45.

[KasinoKing]

As far as I have experienced, the number of putts does affect the bonus awarded, given the same wager and the same number of triggering scatter symbols. For a $0.75 wager and three triggering scatter symbols, a hole in one always awards $30 and a two putt always awards $22.50. A three putt always awards correspondingly less. For a $0.75 wager and four triggering scatter symbols, the payouts are higher, e.g., a two putt always awards $45.

That's odd because when it first came out I remember trying it to play all the holes (in fun mode) and getting different prizes for the same number of puts with same bet.

Time for a bit more research - I'll be back!