Why do people join rogue casino's??

[suzecat]

Hi Loganberry! Quite a smattering of my debate technique.....ok you don't like it....got it.....maybe I won't run for office. Please look at the "offending" post again, the "laughable" bit was in response to being called naive..........didn't have anything to do with HippoJo and it's accreditation -- or lack thereof. And I suppose it's fair to say it drives me nuts when new members try to denegrate Bryan and the system he has developed. That seems rude and caustic to me. Like going to someone's home and critiquing the furnishings. I just would never do that.

[classymom]

Hi Loganberry! Quite a smattering of my debate technique.....ok you don't like it....got it.....maybe I won't run for office. Please look at the "offending" post again, the "laughable" bit was in response to being called naive..........didn't have anything to do with HippoJo and it's accreditation -- or lack thereof. And I suppose it's fair to say it drives me nuts when new members try to denegrate Bryan and the system he has developed. That seems rude and caustic to me. Like going to someone's home and critiquing the furnishings. I just would never do that.

I totally agree - One of the reasons I come to this forum is I like the Furnishings ( people and opinions) I have been to other forums and am still a member to a few, but I like what I read here and the rules that keep the order. If I didn't like it here I would move on, not criticize how the owner runs the place. Just my opinion.

[USA2112]

Max receives a lot of PABs for casinos that are totally 100% in the rogue pit. (Virtual casino group for example). I'll have him start surveying these players to find out how and why they made their decisions to play there.

This would be interesting to know, especially where they signed up.

[lots0]

Rogue/blacklisted casinos are a problem of many facets.

I see a lot of reasons why people sign up with Rogue online casino outfits (I'll leave the subject of just what is a rogue casino for a little later).

The biggest single reason I see people sign up with 'Rogue' online Casinos is the lack of regulation for online casinos in the US and parts of Europe. I don't have the numbers, but I'll wager most all the complaints about rogue casinos here at CM come from Americans or European countries where online gaming is in legal limbo. Without regulation, the bad guys flourish and the players are ALL just sheep for the shearing.

The second biggest reason I see for people hooking up with Rogue Casinos, is the definition of just what is or is not a 'Rogue Casino' among all the different gambling related websites. Bryan here at CM was the first to coin the term “Rogue Casino” for use about online casinos. Not to mention that Bryan has spent an entire decade trying to determine good online casinos from bad ones. So I believe his opinion about what is or is not a Rogue Casino is a very very good place to start. However having said that, there are times I disagree with Bryan on different casinos and what their status (Rogue or not Rogue) should be. Every gambling related site that has a Rogue list has a different opinion about what site is Rogue and what site is not Rogue. Without a standardized definition of what is a Rogue across most all of the popular gambling sites, there will be far too many times when players that do use due dillegence and check the search engines to find out about an online casino will get contrary information about the casino from different websites. One gambling site says it's a Rogue Casino to be avoided and a different gambling site says it's the best damn casino online...

Everyone has their own opinion about who or what is or is not a Rogue. The fact of the matter is you will find no two Rogue casino lists on two different websites that are exactly the same. I know the list on my site is different than Bryan's list and I know the lists on other sites are different from mine and from his.

So just what is a Rogue Online Casino, is a huge question that really needs to be answered by Regulation. Regulated casinos = not rogue... Non regulated casino = rogue... very simple.

Third reason I see people signing up with Rogue casinos are the many affiliates promoting well known bad guys.

I think most reasonable people will agree that Absolute Poker and Ultimate Bet are truly “Rogue” in just about every sense of the word. Yet there are well known, well funded (and supposedly well respected) casino affiliate recruiting, casino affiliate forums and casino affiliate program review sites out there that have out right stated that they will still promote the bad guys at AP/UB to new webmasters simply because the bad guys support their business.

The guy that made that statement about AP/UP supporting his business, is supposed to be one of the leaders in the casino affiliate industry... And I hate to say it but with so called “leaders” with personal morals like that, I find it amazing the entire industry is not in far far worse shape than it already is.

However, in my opinion, the main reason people sign up with “Rogue” online casinos, goes back to my first point... Incompetent and/or corrupt elected American and European political officials who refuse to regulate... Refuse to regulate... When the people that are actually involved with online casinos, players, good casinos and even good casino affiliates not only want it, but are crying out for it...

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[USA2112]

I agree that this discussion/thread is interesting and should continue.

It seems to me that there is consensus that individual research is very important. Which message board the player uses to assist in this precautionary move (or whether this is regarded as an option at all) is an individual choice based on what the player considers to be useful on a particular website, how comfortable he or she is with the other members and the approach and knowledge of the webmaster.

For the individual player, when a website gets this right it becomes a regular stopping place where the news section can be checked for the latest industry developments and new casinos or games; the latest message board comments can be read and perhaps responded to; the progress of a complaint checked; the latest promos assessed and so on.

That's good for the player and good for the webmaster, especially if a reasonably fair, disciplined and diverse membership can be achieved which covers a variety of topics and delivers valuable information and informed opinion.

When all that comes together over time and it is combined with a large membership and a trusted and balanced webmaster, the website becomes influential in an industry sense, and that can improve both the information it acquires and the webmaster's contacts and ability to solve player problems.

I understand the point, but to google casino watchdog the #1 spot comes up casinowatchdog.blah blah and on the first page they have Prism casino with this comment "Great casino odds, especially blackjack Highly Recommended By The Players!" this is BS and would turn knowledge players around and out the door, however for the newbie this reads money trap especially when the website uses casinowatchdog as their url and promotes rogue casinos of the worst kind. #2 spot is Casinomeister which is good but I think you see my point. Maybe it's time for a website that focuses on rogue webmasters and affiliates to shed some light on the subject.

IMO, the world economies are going to get worse mainly from the inflated fuel prices which affect everything. But I really don't feel that this will keep people from playing poker or slots online. In fact, they'll probably play more since they can't afford to drive/fly to the nearest casino

I agree, it cost $50 to drive to the casino and back now so I play more online at this point. Go Bush....

[USA2112]

However, in my opinion, the main reason people sign up with “Rogue” online casinos, goes back to my first point... Incompetent and/or corrupt elected American and European political officials who refuse to regulate... Refuse to regulate... When the people that are actually involved with online casinos, players, good casinos and even good casino affiliates not only want it, but are crying out for it...

Regulation is a big part of the problem, standards need to be put in place and followed. If or when that happens you will come up with the same arguement there is now, who's rogue and who's not, even after regulations or put in place it will take time to change the industry.

For now though the control is in the hands of each webmaster or affiliate. I don't believe everyone has to agree 100% either, but casinos that are known to be rogue due to their past history of cheating players should not be advertised by any webmaster or affiliate, even though there is a line this would help to start changing the industry now.

[loganberry]

And I suppose it's fair to say it drives me nuts when new members try to denegrate Bryan and the system he has developed

Here we go again..New Kid on the Block bashing. Hasn't been here long enough to be entitled to an opinion, eh? Because that is what it was - an opinion. And as for denegrating Bryan? Where did that come from? His comments were polite, rational and well structured at all times.

What drives me nuts is the attitude of some of the more established members - the Thought Police - trying to dictate their views to the lesser beings who are newbies.

If I didn't like it here I would move on, not criticize how the owner runs the place. Just my opinion.

It's really sad you feel like that, because that it the point of an OPEN forum. No-one and nothing is exempt. If Bryan is beyond criticism, which is what you are effectively stating, then the glory days of censorship have truly arrived.

And expressing one's view doesn't mean the the poster doesn't like it here.

If I didn't like it here I would move on...

About to do that. Now. I believe in freedom of thought and speech, but the CM Thought Police have finally worn me out.

So Bryan - get me outta here, Please. NOW. I'm done!


Sorry for the thread derail, guys. It won't happen again. Trust me!

[GGW Laurie]

Here we go again..New Kid on the Block bashing. Hasn't been here long enough to be entitled to an opinion, eh? Because that is what it was - an opinion. And as for denegrating Bryan? Where did that come from? His comments were polite, rational and well structured at all times.

What drives me nuts is the attitude of some of the more established members - the Thought Police - trying to dictate their views to the lesser beings who are newbies.



It's really sad you feel like that, because that it the point of an OPEN forum. No-one and nothing is exempt. If Bryan is beyond criticism, which is what you are effectively stating, then the glory days of censorship have truly arrived.

And expressing one's view doesn't mean the the poster doesn't like it here.



About to do that. Now. I believe in freedom of thought and speech, but the CM Thought Police have finally worn me out.

So Bryan - get me outta here, Please. NOW. I'm done!


Sorry for the thread derail, guys. It won't happen again. Trust me!

.i really wish you would reconsider leaving lizz, we all can agree to dis -agree with each other and still remain forum friends.everyone will not always agree with the next poster and visa- versa and thats what makes it a good forum. if you do leave i wish for you nothing but the best but you have been on here to long to just up and quit but thats your bizz and my dimes worth of advice.....................laurie

[KikisMom]

Hi folks,

I have been working writing copy for the industry on and off for about 3 years now. I've mostly worked on affiliate sites, but I've done promoting/SEO for an actual provider.

Most of the affiliates I've worked with have NO IDEA about anything casino related. They know about SEO, period. Let a lowly content writer like me tell them that they're making their money on a rogue casino that's cheating players, and they'll tell me to mind my own business. I've got a Kiki to feed and clothe, so I can't pick my clients.

When I worked at a provider, I was asked to write a press release with out-and-out lies, and I told the bosses that it was going to work against them, and they're like "stop being holier than the pope."

There are some nasties in the business.

Oh, and LOADS of users have never seen this site.

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everyone will not always agree with the next poster and visa- versa.....................laurie

maybe you meant imposter, know what I mean Laurie......you should!!!