Roulette Machines in shops

**dazlazz** · 10th July 2008, 01:21 PM

Hi folks,

I notice in the UK now, that most of the offline betting shops have tons of betting terminals in which you can play roulette, BJ etc.

Does anyone have any experience of these, i.e. do they use RNG, can the payout % be amended etc

The reason I'm asking is that a friend of mine has lost a packet playing roulette on these machines in recent months.

Cheers,

Dazzla

**DemonUK** · 10th July 2008, 02:23 PM

To my knowledge the machines are connected to one central location which sends out a stream of random numbers. If the network goes down so do all the terminals. I don't know for certain, just what one bookmaker told me.

We tested it on 3 machines next to each other. We all pressed the play button as close to the same time as we could, and all three gave us the same number. We weren't on it either lol

**aminair** · 10th July 2008, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by dazlazz

Hi folks,

I notice in the UK now, that most of the offline betting shops have tons of betting terminals in which you can play roulette, BJ etc.

Does anyone have any experience of these, i.e. do they use RNG, can the payout % be amended etc

The reason I'm asking is that a friend of mine has lost a packet playing roulette on these machines in recent months.

Cheers,

Dazzla

I once put �1.40 in and lost it all.

Never again.

**DemonUK** · 11th July 2008, 04:45 PM

I once had �6 on zero and it came in 3 times on the bounce, never happened since though

**DiamondGeezer** · 12th July 2008, 12:33 AM

You are talking about FOBT's - Fixed Odds Betting Terminals. Avoid these like the plague. They only return about 90%. They are hugely profitable for the UK betting industry but a disaster for punters. It is no surprise your friend has lost a lot of money.

When they first came out there was a bug of some kind and I believe people got wind of it and were able to place bets on the ball landing in a particular sector ie they knew roughly where the ball was going to land. But ofcourse that has long since been fixed and now all these machines do is fleece everyone.

**KasinoKing** · 12th July 2008, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by DiamondGeezer

You are talking about FOBT's - Fixed Odds Betting Terminals. Avoid these like the plague. They only return about 90%.

Do you know that for a fact?
I would be HUGELY surprised if bookies in the UK would be allowed to offer roulette machines which are not 100% random & pay less than roulette in a real casino would.

VWM is probably the resident expert on this...

**GaryWatson** · 12th July 2008, 05:50 PM

My mate plays these all the time. He can tell you what number the ball will land on as soon as it starts spinning. It doesnt help as his money is on by that time. ive heard somewhere they have a 90% payout. Defo better odds in the casino. we jumped a taxi into the casino. he managed to lose there too. The moral of the story is, at least the casino allow us to drink at the roulette machines when we are losing

**WAYLANDER** · 13th July 2008, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by GaryWatson

My mate plays these all the time. He can tell you what number the ball will land on as soon as it starts spinning. It doesnt help as his money is on by that time. ive heard somewhere they have a 90% payout.

I used to play these alot too....so much in fact that i too could tell what number it was going to be as soon as it starts spinning ( it is all in the start positioning of the ball compared to the numbers ) .
Although it is all done by a central R N G , i have read uk literature to back this up, also have seen the same number on seperate machines at the same time far too many times to be a coincidence.
So unless there are other factors they should be the same % as any other non rigged roulette

WAYLANDER

**DemonUK** · 13th July 2008, 09:39 PM

The only reason you know where the ball is going to land is because you must play it excessively. It is a computer, but the numbers are generated by a RNG elsewhere, its like you know how far infront of the ship you had to be before you fired in Space Invaders or something. The numbers are random, the path of the ball based on the randomly generated number is pre programmed. They are not fixed odds as far as I am aware

**WAYLANDER** · 13th July 2008, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by DemonUK

The only reason you know where the ball is going to land is because you must play it excessively. It is a computer, but the numbers are generated by a RNG elsewhere, its like you know how far infront of the ship you had to be before you fired in Space Invaders or something. The numbers are random, the path of the ball based on the randomly generated number is pre programmed.

This is true, i wasn't trying to claim i was psychic or something.

On the first machines ( i believe they are on a next generation now ) when you pressed spin after placing your bets if you had " excessively " played them you could tell what number was coming by the position of the ball in relation to the wheel for a split second before the wheel moved, then one of two preset routes ( always the same path/bounce etc ) would occur until it reached the number.

Nothing fixed or dodgy... just basic software !

WAYLANDER