Can we win against casino playing baccarat or roulette

[bryand]

To be continued tomorrow.....

If I could only find that infamous thread where some guy argued with everone on CM about statistics of RNG's and whether slots were really random. I just remember him having the record for lowest reputation points. I'm just saying....

[GaryWatson]

The casino has a house edge.

A cap on the betting ensures players dont double up & double up until they win.

A player can get short gains by selecting 30/37 numbers on the roulette wheel. They are fav to win, but in the long term they still lose, because when they lose its a steeper %.

Sites like betfair, who claim to have 0%, maybe they do. That is viable because of their bankroll.

It has been called greed, maybe it is but in reality, many players lose through to poor bankroll management.

Players will up their stakes until they suffer the swings and arrows of outragous fortune, ie they step beyond the variences. The casino cant lose on this because they cap the betting. Hence in the end they win.

So betfair, with their sportbook, could viably do this because they know the money is coming back to them through different avenues & the capped betting means they can stay ahead of the game & collect from the steamers.

[james01]

the other problem with doubling up is that you only come out a little ahead. Say you play:
1
2
4
8
16
32 and then you win even money.
You've spent 63 and you win 64. It's not much of a profit margin for you. If you double up and win more than even money, you come out decently ahead, but then you're really at risk, because your chances of hitting go way down.

Basically, if you don't have a very huge bankroll, it's just not reasonable to expect to be able to beat the casino that way.

Add in the table limits, and you just can't do it.

[GaryWatson]

Foolproof Betting Systems. I wrote that a while back. My friend goes to great lengths to beat the casinos. Many hours of thought. They are not there to be beaten, they are there for enjoyment, a chase for that big win. Some get it, very few, but those who do are great ads for the casinos. Sometimes I figure there are shills lurking in the winners screenshots. It makes more sense to the casinos than spamming a particular site.

1) Rule No.1 Don't waste your time trying to outsmart the casino. All bases are covered.

2) Rule No.2 If you win, enjoy the money and buy something with material value because it will only go back.

All said, some online casinos should be embarrased by the scams they pull. The money is going back to them as long as they offer a little integrity & decent customer service.

Kahanwake should be blacklisted after the AP/UB crap. Any site with their accreditation should be taken with a pinch of salt & on the "BE VERY WARY" list. Apparently that incorporates about 50% of online sites, so what?

The less crap we are subjected to online the better. Kahanwake lost their credibility through AP/UB.

pokeraddict, I bet they knew of your friends over at 2+2. They were probably laughing at all the self proclaimed top internet players. Maybe they didn't work out that poker strategy was above their heads & you all would find them out. Ill bet my mortgage on the fact it wasn't Mark Seif, because no player with any brains would get caught. I know I wouldn't be dumb enough, with the knowledge they have.

Back to the fact that no one was taken to tast. Definately an insider job. Now they have professionals basically telling them where they went wrong. If Mark Seif has the cheating gene, he would surely be the one to teach the staff how to avoid red flags.

The fact that AB. UB & Kahanwake are still around proves that Kahanwake has no place in a legitimate industry. pokeraddict, I hope that answers your question about whitelisting. (P.S. It's just my opinion & many others who now consider poker less of a skill game, more of a roulette wheel)

[GaryWatson]

Originally Posted by GaryWatson

All said, some online casinos should be embarrased by the scams they pull. The money is going back to them as long as they offer a little integrity & decent customer service.

Lol. that pissed me off and sent me on a rant

[AlohaHawaii]

Originally Posted by GaryWatson

The casino has a house edge.
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A player can get short gains by selecting 30/37 numbers on the roulette wheel. They are fav to win, but in the long term they still lose, because when they lose its a steeper %.

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Sorry folks that I did not log in the last few days as I was not feeling well.

After much thoughts, I too thought that if I played more numbers in the roullette table I might win, I then proceeded to a real land based casino to play the roullette and on each round I bet 33 numbers and I won initially, after winning continuously for a few days, finally I lost everything including my own money.

I then wrote a program for my computer to play the roulette. I made the computer bet randomly on 33 numbers for 10,000 games. I was very surprised to see that at the end of the 10k games, the computer lose. when I again made the pc play again for the next 10k games and the next 10k and the next, the pc lose all the time. I am very surprised that the zero in the roulette can do such wonders.

Based on what I saw in the program, I am therefore quite convinced that on a long term basis, there seems no way we can win the roulette that have a house advantage of a zero unless we know which sector the ball might land as described by a member here.

Using the program I wrote, I was also very wrong when I thought that in the roullette table, it is difficult to strike if we bet only a few numbers. I made the computer play 3 systems, (a) bet 33 numbers each round, (b) bet 3 numbers each round, (c) bet 18 numbers each round, and it was (b) that emerge the winner after playing 10,000 games. I want to share with members here that if you continuously bet about 3 numbers in the roulette each game, after about 100 games, chances is that you will strike at least 2 times.

Ok, so how about baccarat? Can we win in baccarat? I will again continue tomorrow ...or..... saturday........... I guarantee you its worth coming back because I might have a winning system or a system thats difficult for the casino to beat and .............................

[AlohaHawaii]

I wish to further add that if theres no table limit, the casinos will be in trouble as there are many rich people out there who has the capital to double knowing that is is vitually non existant for banker or player, in baccarat, to win continuously for 30 times.

Originally Posted by james01

the other problem with doubling up is that you only come out a little ahead. Say you play:
1
2
4
8
16
32 and then you win even money.
You've spent 63 and you win 64. It's not much of a profit margin for you. If you double up and win more than even money, you come out decently ahead, but then you're really at risk, because your chances of hitting go way down.

Basically, if you don't have a very huge bankroll, it's just not reasonable to expect to be able to beat the casino that way.

Add in the table limits, and you just can't do it.

[james01]

Originally Posted by AlohaHawaii

I wish to further add that if theres no table limit, the casinos will be in trouble as there are many rich people out there who has the capital to double knowing that is is vitually non existant for banker or player, in baccarat, to win continuously for 30 times.

In baccarat or if you're playing (for example) evens on roulette, chances are over 99% that you'll hit a win within 10 rounds. At that point, if you started with $1 and doubled each round, you're at $512.

Casinos are smart. They don't let you play $1 and $512 at the same table, because they're not idiots. They know how to get every red cent out of players.

[GrandMaster]

Originally Posted by AlohaHawaii

I wish to further add that if theres no table limit, the casinos will be in trouble as there are many rich people out there who has the capital to double knowing that is is vitually non existant for banker or player, in baccarat, to win continuously for 30 times.

The table limit keeps the variance within bounds, but it does not cause the casino's advantage. I fail to see the relevance of 30 consecutive wins.

Originally Posted by james01

In baccarat or if you're playing (for example) evens on roulette, chances are over 99% that you'll hit a win within 10 rounds. At that point, if you started with $1 and doubled each round, you're at $512.

Casinos are smart. They don't let you play $1 and $512 at the same table, because they're not idiots. They know how to get every red cent out of players.

You could always move to a higher limit table or to another casino, or is there something in the martingale strategy that says that all action has to happen at the same table? Does it matter if they change dealers? Martingaling may win you a small amount most of the time, but occasionally you will lose big, and this is enough to keep the casino in business.

[frafi]

Hi Aloha,

could a positive progression trigger the output of your program to the winning side?

You could expand your program to examine a light progression, say 1-2-3-1 when you win.

Try different combinations of this, maybe you find something out.

The curves in my examinations goes only up with the d'Alembert progression for a little while to end in a big jump down.