Free play at Ruby Fortune, Spin Palace etc

[Jufo]

Kimss, highest chance of getting the maximum bonus is still with French Roulette and large bets. I don't really see the point of playing slots here because it is not real money after all (thus winning big is just nullified because you exceed the max bonus limit).

However there are some free plays where playing slots is the ONLY option (Jackpot city for example).

[kimss]

Kimss, highest chance of getting the maximum bonus is still with French Roulette and large bets.

Is this based on what you belive or what you have experienced?

Another thing I would like to know, is if the bonus play affects your real play. By that I mean, loosing those $1000, giving you a low payout. Would that make you a quick winner if you continue? Or, while winning much, say $10.000, giving you a high payout, would that make you have a low payout afterwards?

The reason I ask is we all know we stumble down to 90-95% payout, that however doesn't mean that the bonus play is connected to the real play - I honestly don't know since I never collected data for this (and I can't collect new data for it either since I already busted out all the bonuses earlier, tried them all).

Would be fun going through all the bonuses again, use the flash casino, and collect each and every reel position and collect some really usefull data to settle this despute once and for all when I think of it! Hmm!

[james01]

Is this based on what you belive or what you have experienced?

Another thing I would like to know, is if the bonus play affects your real play. By that I mean, loosing those $1000, giving you a low payout. Would that make you a quick winner if you continue? Or, while winning much, say $10.000, giving you a high payout, would that make you have a low payout afterwards?

The reason I ask is we all know we stumble down to 90-95% payout, that however doesn't mean that the bonus play is connected to the real play - I honestly don't know since I never collected data for this (and I can't collect new data for it either since I already busted out all the bonuses earlier, tried them all).

You're assuming that the casino software knows whether you've won or not. Assuming the site is actually using a proper RNG, previous results in no way affect future results.

For example, if you toss a coin 10 times and get 6 heads and 4 tails, on the eleventh toss, there is still a 50/50 chance of getting each (assuming the tosses are fair and the coin isn't weighted).

If you believe that the casino bases your wins on previous play, then you believe that they do not have a decent RNG, and you should consider the casino rogue and cease playing immediately.

[kimss]

So in other words you assume a perfectly fair RNG, which was the answer to my question, and what I expected you was referring to.

[Jufo]

Is this based on what you belive or what you have experienced?

I think it is based on simple probabilities. Roughly speaking if your balance is $500 and you need to reach $700 to get the maximum bonus amount (=$200) then you succeed with 500/700 = 5/7 = 71.4% probability. But this means making single large bets because otherwise the house edge starts to eat your chances of reaching $700. It is also important to bet so that you can't accidentally win anything over $700. That's why slots are not the best way to do this.

Another thing I would like to know, is if the bonus play affects your real play. By that I mean, loosing those $1000, giving you a low payout. Would that make you a quick winner if you continue? Or, while winning much, say $10.000, giving you a high payout, would that make you have a low payout afterwards?

I think the games are totally separate and past shouldn't affect future outcomes. This free play bonus requires you to get lucky every part of the way. First you need to get lucky to win the maximum bonus amount and then you need to get lucky to survive the bonus play-through without busting out.

To give counter-example to your theory Kimss, this did happen to me once. I played one of these free play promotions and was lucky to receive maximum bonus 200 EUR (I could only play slots in that free play). I needed to deposit only 10 EUR to get that bonus on my account, so it was a 2000% bonus for mere 10 EUR deposit. The wagering requirement was 300 x bonus on blackjack. I started playing blackjack and in the end I withrew 3000 EUR for my 10 EUR deposit

[DaKing008]

Personally I found the $1000 chips bonus the easiest to win with. Surely you don't spin with $0.09 spins, this would be plain dumb if you expect winning anything. If I recall correctly you can only win $200 anyways, so you need to end up with $1200. So if you get a good win on $20 wagering, you easily win $5000 and then making the wagering on $100 spins becomes pretty straight forward.

If I recall correctly I've played atleast 5 of theese bonuses and only 1 time did I go bust! The other ones however, starting with only $500 is harder to win any! I usually start with Tally Ho! on $9 wagering and get the freespin after $450 of wagering and get back into $400 or so, then go for $9 spins on Good to Go only to get the bonus with two scatters and bust! So in my experience $500 is not enough, $1000 however is great!

That must have been some time ago then because the max bet per spin now is $2.25.

[DaKing008]

Also I just double checked and you guys are wrong about being able to win $200. The most you can win is $100 according to their terms.

I just really don't understand why every other casino just gives a bonus and these guys want you to play games for it. Now maybe like someone said this increases their hold of customers. I'm not a marketing guy so maybe I am totally wrong on this. It just doesn't make sense to me. Seems the faster a customer deposits the better, why have someone waste a hour playing freeplay if you are looking to get deposits? A lot of people will be like me and lose and not want to give the casino money then.

[Jufo]

Also I just double checked and you guys are wrong about being able to win $200. The most you can win is $100 according to their terms.

There are more than ten free play promotions at different casinos and each has their own max win and minimum required deposit. There are free play promos with 200 max win, and some with 50 max win too.

I just really don't understand why every other casino just gives a bonus and these guys want you to play games for it. Now maybe like someone said this increases their hold of customers. I'm not a marketing guy so maybe I am totally wrong on this. It just doesn't make sense to me. Seems the faster a customer deposits the better, why have someone waste a hour playing freeplay if you are looking to get deposits? A lot of people will be like me and lose and not want to give the casino money then.

That's true. It is certainly not a good marketing practice if a player loses in free play and decides it is not a good place to play. However many casinos offer free play as an extra to normal deposit match bonus.

[DaKing008]

There are more than ten free play promotions at different casinos and each has their own max win and minimum required deposit. There are free play promos with 200 max win, and some with 50 max win too.

Well since this thread was about Ruby Fortune and it's sister casinos Spin Palace and Mummys I thought it was relevant to point out they are all max 100. No other casinos were singled out.

That's true. It is certainly not a good marketing practice if a player loses in free play and decides it is not a good place to play. However many casinos offer free play as an extra to normal deposit match bonus.

I understand they have a normal bonus, my point I'm trying to make is after losing at a casino (freeplay) why would they want to deposit real money now? I know its not rigged but you do get in that mindset of "no way that could happen! How did I lose that one!" type hands when gambling. I lose and the last thing I want to do is now give the casino money. Thats why I think these are dumb promotions. You are going to turn off at least some of your customers who have already gone to the trouble to download your software and sign up.

[Rusty]

Well since this thread was about Ruby Fortune and it's sister casinos Spin Palace and Mummys I thought it was relevant to point out they are all max 100. No other casinos were singled out.



I understand they have a normal bonus, my point I'm trying to make is after losing at a casino (freeplay) why would they want to deposit real money now? I know its not rigged but you do get in that mindset of "no way that could happen! How did I lose that one!" type hands when gambling. I lose and the last thing I want to do is now give the casino money. Thats why I think these are dumb promotions. You are going to turn off at least some of your customers who have already gone to the trouble to download your software and sign up.

That is a very fair and valid observation but the Casinos obviously think it worthwhile because it provides them with a good headline promotion
"Get £500 free to play with" type thing and that must lure in peeps who might not have tried the Casino with a standard 100% bonus

The Casinos I don't understand are the ones that offer a 50% Bonus
That just makes them look mean and cheap when compared to other Casinos
Would another 50% really break them?

As for the wagering cap in Free play promotions, in my experience the cap goes up as you play and quite large bets are possible by the end.
Some slots take higher bets than others also.
I think Tombraider starts at .75 a spin and luckybastard can be started at 5.00 a spin.