Rushmore Casino Experiences

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Originally Posted by vinylweatherman

With RTG's, this would mean that if you wanted to win RJs often, avoid Rushmore, but if you preferred to hit big, chase them down at Rushmore.

Not 100% correct, because (and this is another issue) their very high RJs grows up 10x so fast as on all another RTGs and i really can't believe, that they have really so much active players, although they have not much deposit options!

Btw. i've looked now at iNetBet's RJ Statistic and there was the highest RJ about $25,000 (Fruity Frenzy) and the second highest nearly about $20,000 (Aladdin's Wishes even at last year, because i can remember this time and played there also *lol*) and all another were always under $20,000 and at most not much higher, than $10,000 and this should be normal for every RTG Casino, because it's on all acreddited RTGs also the same, except Rushmore and this is certainly very mysterious for me

[USA2112]

Originally Posted by vinylweatherman
Not so.

For the games to be fair, the chance is not PER SPIN, but PER $. Although players playing at $5 per spin would contribute 5c each time, they would also have 5x the chance of hitting the RJ on each of those spins, thus the RJ's would be hitting at the same average long term value irrespective of the average size of wagers chosen by players.

I thought about this, and it doesn't seem unfair at all that the odds of the random event happening would change X's the amount wagered by the player, this just equals the chance the random jackpot will hit per amount wagered by all players. It actually makes sence and is fair for all players playing the machine high roller or low roller.

However, it still does not predict the outcome of when the random jackpot will hit, so the the pot would grow and the higher wagering players would just increase the random jackpot even more.

Here's one that seems unfair, and I don't want to change the subject, but, when random jackpots do get high players are more likely to play them more. High rollers and low rollers. If a low roller hits the random jackpot "more power to that considering X's wager" the high roller is the one who takes the big lost because of amount invested.

Point being! Maybe in RTG casinos there should be two types of Random jackpot machines high rollers only and low rollers only. Just a thought!

Originally Posted by vinylweatherman

The same principle can be applied (and indeed IS) to the big lotteries, where the total prize money exceeds the cost of buying a ticket covering every possible combination. In this case, you WILL hit the jackpot, the risk is finding it has been shared to a player not in the group (and the art is in calculating the "value" of this risk, and factoring it into the decision as to whether to hit the lottery, or wait and hope for another roll-over).

At about 200,000,000 to one in some lotteries you better have allot of investors...

[vinylweatherman]

Originally Posted by USA2112

I thought about this, and it doesn't seem unfair at all that the odds of the random event happening would change X's the amount wagered by the player, this just equals the chance the random jackpot will hit per amount wagered by all players. It actually makes sence and is fair for all players playing the machine high roller or low roller.

However, it still does not predict the outcome of when the random jackpot will hit, so the the pot would grow and the higher wagering players would just increase the random jackpot even more.
Here's one that seems unfair, and I don't want to change the subject, but, when random jackpots do get high players are more likely to play them more. High rollers and low rollers. If a low roller hits the random jackpot "more power to that considering X's wager" the high roller is the one who takes the big lost because of amount invested.

Point being! Maybe in RTG casinos there should be two types of Random jackpot machines high rollers only and low rollers only. Just a thought!



At about 200,000,000 to one in some lotteries you better have allot of investors...

True, for an individual instance, but taken over many RJ hits, this indicates that what is happening at Rushmore simply shouldn't be happening at all!

Although there will be times when the RJ makes it to a very high value before hitting, there should also be times where it hits far earlier than one might think. This is what is NOT happening at Rushmore, they are ALL making it to high values before hitting. Whatever mechanism is being used to control the RJs there is NOT the standard RTG one, Rushmore appear to have a custom "tweaked" RTG casino, this is not the kind of thing players necessarily feel comfortable with.
If I play, say, Thunderstruck, at one MG and then at another, I may lose at one, and win at another. I do, however, expect that Thunderstruck is the same game wherever I play it, and with each spin I am taking the same risks, and getting the same chances. This is not the case when playing for RJs at Rushmore.
Some players probably like having RJs build up so high, making them more like the big progressives, but others might be unhappy about the sheer level of optional tweaking that RTG software seems to allow individual operators.

[USA2112]

Originally Posted by Jade@rushmore

All Visa's including prepaid are accepted, Master card is not currently accepted. You would never have heard such a message and If you did please inform me of the name of the rep so I can make sure they are perfectly clear from now on.

Yes, I was referring to master card/debt and not Visa, should have been more clear, with my (s) My apology Jade.

Originally Posted by vinylweatherman

True, for an individual instance, but taken over many RJ hits, this indicates that what is happening at Rushmore simply shouldn't be happening at all!

Although there will be times when the RJ makes it to a very high value before hitting, there should also be times where it hits far earlier than one might think. This is what is NOT happening at Rushmore, they are ALL making it to high values before hitting. Whatever mechanism is being used to control the RJs there is NOT the standard RTG one, Rushmore appear to have a custom "tweaked" RTG casino, this is not the kind of thing players necessarily feel comfortable with.
If I play, say, Thunderstruck, at one MG and then at another, I may lose at one, and win at another. I do, however, expect that Thunderstruck is the same game wherever I play it, and with each spin I am taking the same risks, and getting the same chances. This is not the case when playing for RJs at Rushmore.
Some players probably like having RJs build up so high, making them more like the big progressives, but others might be unhappy about the sheer level of optional tweaking that RTG software seems to allow individual operators.

It does sound unusual that many of the random jackpots are getting high. "Still not impossible to happen" It would also be equally unusual for bunch of the random jackpots to hit when there low, have they? Maybe they are, if someone could clarify on that.

Correct me if i'm wrong but Rushmores random jackpots start at $5000 instead of $1000 this would make a difference. Plus Rushmore has high sign up bonuses for new players 400% "up to $2000" then they have weekend bonuses 150% "and can be claimed 5X's per player" over the 4th they had 250% and if here giving out these type bonuses to all players I'm sure some players are getting nice bonuses on top of those which all generates play. This could be a factor with the random jackpots getting as high as they are over a period of time.

Edit: I just don't see Rushmore trying to manipulate their random jackpots. Think about all the RTG casinos that have made huge mistakes with players in the past and look at how many are left with a good reputation, I don't see any of them wanting to spoil that their getting all the RTG business when they prove themselves as a reliable casino.

[vinylweatherman]

It is probably not manipulation, it just seems that Rushmore are using something they shoudn't have in "fair and random" software. We already know that these slots can be set to different payouts, yet this is completely at odds with what the game is presented as, a 5 reel video slot. It should simply not be possible to change the payout without visibly altering either the paytables or the reel layouts, yet somehow RTG operators can do this, and have never explained how this can be both possible, yet still be consistent with their video slots obeying standard accepted rules for random video slots as found in B & M casinos in places such as Vegas.
There is no such problem with the other games, payouts are altered by altering the paytables.
If they can tweak the payouts of the slots, then surely they can tweak the numbers controlling the RNG output as used to accumulate and pay off those RJs. Having them start at $5000 instead of $1000 is already an option that is supposed not to exist within RTG software, but is now known to exist because we now have a casino that has actually used it.
There are quite possibly other options, ones we have never seen because no RTG casino has used them so far, or not that we have noticed.

Large bonuses, and often, would certainly give far more play through the games for the same amount of real money deposited by players, and interestingly, giving high bonuses like this and all the time can expose the casino to having too much bonus money feeding into the RJ pools, and being won by relatively small deposits of real money. Most RTG casinos deal with this by having max cashouts on bonuses, so that large RJ's are generally confiscated above this max cashout, and having artifitially inflated RJ pools before hitting really does help the casino as far less is actually paid out despite being won. I do not know whether Rushmore has a restrictive max cashout policy, or a liberal one, since I cannot play, with or without that playthrough counter, as I have no means to deposit, and a difficult means to cash-out. I also cannot see for myself exactly how these RJ's look and feel, I am relying on how others describe them, and how they look and feel at iNetBet & Club World, and comparing.

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i have deposited into rushmore about 7 times or so already. i have used there generous bonuses. i do know that one of the jps is at over 45.000 already. i would like to see a printout of the payouts of this casino because i to wonder if any of the jps hit under 20.000. i read tht most jps there hit between 30 and 40.000 but now its one up to 45.000 . makes me kinda hate to play anything under 30.000 becasue there jps could go on for months. other than that there play on slots is pretty much like the other rtgs ive played at. has its good and bad sessions. i have to give a thumbs up for jade who always comes on the forum and gives us answers to our question. thanks jade

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well just a note that rushmore has a jp of over 58.000 dollars . its the slots.
tiger treasure. aztec treasure. lions lair. ive tried to make a go of it but no luck. thought maybe someone here would like to give it a shot.

[zapotek]

Got my money today ($2000),two weeks after my win.

It took two days after my win before i got an mail from the casino that
the withdrawal was processed and the check was sent. (During those two days i also sent in security documents ( visa card, driver licence, utility bill + the faxback form they sent )).

Then 4-5 days later i recieved the check. It was sent by fed ex, so it was
delivered on my door.

I had to wait a couple of days to get to the bank because it was
weekend. After i delivered it to my bank. it took 4 days for the bank
to process the check (they had to send it in somewhere). Anyway today
it was on my account and i withdraw it all and have it in my pocket

Seems to be a serious casino, but should add Neteller as payment
withdrawal method.

sveinung

from Norway

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Way back when Rushmore first started up, I hit a random jackpot for somewhere around $1500 so I can say that they do hit at low amounts. But like I said, this was way back when.

[RobWin]

So does Mastercard Debit Card work at Rushmore Casino, I sent them an email earlier and never received a reply back ?