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Old 2nd May 2008, 04:02 PM
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I read through their T&C as best I could (fine print at hi res), but didn't see anything about a max cash out rule? Did I miss it?

They do confiscate the bonus upon withdrawal of winnings I take it?

Any weirdities I missed but should be aware of before I download this weekend?

Yes, it's a phantom bonus.

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This is a Play Bonus - the bonus credits are for wagering purpose only, and only winnings from the bonus (and not the bonus itself) may be cashed out. At the time of a cashout the amount of the bonus will be deducted from the balance.
Another poorly worded item. With a statement like that, if they wanted to get technical, they could only pay you the amount you won and not even include your deposit in that amount...
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When I was playing there I asked them about their bonuses and whether they had a max cashout and was told that all bonuses were no max cashout unless specified. The only reason I don't play there anymore is because I can get my winnings (if any) from Club World next day and Rushmore has to send a check. Simply a matter of convenience for me.

I think if you start analyzing all casinos' T&C's you will find ambiguous items that need clarification and only make since to the people they benefit.
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When I was playing there I asked them about their bonuses and whether they had a max cashout and was told that all bonuses were no max cashout unless specified. The only reason I don't play there anymore is because I can get my winnings (if any) from Club World next day and Rushmore has to send a check. Simply a matter of convenience for me.

I think if you start analyzing all casinos' T&C's you will find ambiguous items that need clarification and only make since to the people they benefit.
Sad, but true....there's only a handful of online casinos out there that have clear and concise T&C's
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winbig,

As far as I'm concerned there's a much bigger problem with their T&Cs that really hasn't been pointed out yet.

Yeah, that's right; they have one of those "bonus abuse" clauses that basically let them confiscate winnings for any reason they see fit. I don't know about everyone else here, but that's a deal breaker for me.
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The casino reserves the right to review transaction records and logs from time to time, for any reason whatsoever. If, upon such review, it appears that player's are participating in strategies that the casino in its sole discretion deems to be abusive, the casino reserves the right to revoke the entitlement of such player to the promotion.

Furthermore, if upon such review, the players practices have been deemed to be "Promotion Abuse", Rushmore Casino Management has the right to take the following actions, at its sole discretion, against such abusers:

* All winnings on any account/s opened will be null and void and all cash-ins will be cancelled where play has been deemed abusive.
* Abusing Player accounts may be terminated with immediate effect.
* Players found to be abusing promotions may be barred from receiving further promotional offers at the Casino.
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As far as I'm concerned there's a much bigger problem with their T&Cs that really hasn't been pointed out yet.

Yeah, that's right; they have one of those "bonus abuse" clauses that basically let them confiscate winnings for any reason they see fit. I don't know about everyone else here, but that's a deal breaker for me.
How did I miss that

That statement is ambiguous in itself. If they wanted to split hairs, with that term they could keep a player's deposit as well.

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As far as I'm concerned there's a much bigger problem with their T&Cs that really hasn't been pointed out yet.

Yeah, that's right; they have one of those "bonus abuse" clauses that basically let them confiscate winnings for any reason they see fit. I don't know about everyone else here, but that's a deal breaker for me.
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The casino reserves the right to review transaction records and logs from time to time, for any reason whatsoever. If, upon such review, it appears that player's are participating in strategies that the casino in its sole discretion deems to be abusive, the casino reserves the right to revoke the entitlement of such player to the promotion.
If that's a deal breaker, you better stop playing online.
If you can name just 6 reputable casino groups who don't have this, or very similar terms in their T&C's, I will donate $100 to the charity of your choice.
Seriously.
Only genuine 'bonus abusers' have anything to fear from terms like this - normal gamblers have nothing to fear.

Note: I'm not defending Rushmore - I still think their other terms (as pointed out by Winbig) are crap & need re-writing.
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If that's a deal breaker, you better stop playing online.
If you can name just 6 reputable casino groups who don't have this, or very similar terms in their T&C's, I will donate $100 to the charity of your choice.
Seriously.
Only genuine 'bonus abusers' have anything to fear from terms like this - normal gamblers have nothing to fear.

Note: I'm not defending Rushmore - I still think their other terms (as pointed out by Winbig) are crap & need re-writing.
I agree that most casinos do have some type of this wording in their terms.

Anyone else have any positive or negative feedback on Rushmore?
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If that's a deal breaker, you better stop playing online.
If you can name just 6 reputable casino groups who don't have this, or very similar terms in their T&C's, I will donate $100 to the charity of your choice.
Seriously.
You know, just because something is widespread (and I'll grant you that such clauses are these days) doesn't make it OK. It also doesn't mean that discriminating, fair-minded players have to settle with playing at casinos with such terms.

I'm not being unrealistic. Why do I need to name 6 reputable casino groups who don't have this? These four groups are plenty for me: Jackpot Factory, Trident Entertainment, Bellerock Entertainment, Vegas Partner Lounge.

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Only genuine 'bonus abusers' have anything to fear from terms like this - normal gamblers have nothing to fear.
Sorry, I'm not going for that. If "bonus abuse" is so clear to spot, then it shouldn't be that hard to come up with clear-cut rules against it. To leave this up to interpretation of management post-withdrawal is asking for trouble.
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