Heads up for Rival Players

[Nifty29]

Hey all

Just noticed the wording in the promotions has changed:

Unless specifically mentioned below, 1 credit wagered in a game counts as 1 credit toward playthrough requirements. The following games (and any variants) are excluded, do not count towards playthrough requirements and winnings may be considered null and void: Roulette, Blackjack, RedDog, Baccarat, Single Videopoker, PaiGow, War, ThreeCard, LetItRide, Videopoker, Craps, DoubleUp, CaribStud.

Just FYI

[vinylweatherman]

Hey all

Just noticed the wording in the promotions has changed:



Just FYI

That is one hell of a list, this could catch out quite a few players who like non-slot games. It goes well beyond the normal list of exclusions used to counter the strategy of doubling up the bankroll with a big starting bet (Blackjack, Roulette, & Baccarat).
Many players will get caught out with the VP exclusion, as well as the table poker exclusions, even when they do not play any kind of "abuse strategy".
Does Rival really need another raft of negative press after recently climbing out of the last "pit".


(Apologies for the mixed metaphore).

[Zoozie]

It goes well beyond the normal list of exclusions used to counter the strategy of doubling up the bankroll with a big (Apologies for the mixed metaphore).

Rival has already implemented max betting limit when playing with a bonus and it is 25$ or 50$ on the roulette etc. They can just decrease the betting limit for these games dependant on the bonus (ie. max betting limit 0$ for total exclusion). The software are made so this can be configured to totally avoid the
void of winnings because reading the T&C is nearly rocket-science today. Rival had the perfect solution already and it is a shame they allow players to be trapped this way. Stupid stupid stupid.

[SlotsWizard]

Does this apply to all Rival casinos or a particular one?

[KasinoKing]

Hey all

Just noticed the wording in the promotions has changed:

Unless specifically mentioned below, 1 credit wagered in a game counts as 1 credit toward playthrough requirements. The following games (and any variants) are excluded, do not count towards playthrough requirements and winnings may be considered null and void: Roulette, Blackjack, RedDog, Baccarat, Single Videopoker, PaiGow, War, ThreeCard, LetItRide, Videopoker, Craps, DoubleUp, CaribStud.

The main problem I have with this personally is the ambiguous word "May"
This could mean "winnings might be considered null and void"
or "winnings will be considered null and void"

I think Rival (and all other casinos, come to that) need to totally eliminate ambiguous statements like this.

Rival has already implemented max betting limit when playing with a bonus and it is 25$ or 50$ on the roulette etc. They can just decrease the betting limit for these games dependent on the bonus (ie. max betting limit 0$ for total exclusion). The software are made so this can be configured to totally avoid the
void of winnings because reading the T&C is nearly rocket-science today. Rival had the perfect solution already and it is a shame they allow players to be trapped this way. Stupid stupid stupid.

If they ever did trap players like that, than I agree it would be very very very stupid!

So far Rival seem to have had a very sensible & fair approach to everything, so hopefully they will never go down that road.

KK

[TDTAT]

I spoke to Rival a few days ago about this change.
Sloto'Cash told me You can still play all games after wagering is complete.

I could be mistaken and way off, but I think the change was made after people here at Casino Meister
suggested that casinos must protect themselves from certain
kinds of bonus abuse, or go belly up. And after some Rival casinos
were attacked by some forums exploiting their bonus weakness.

I never play the video poker at Rival, only the slots, so was not
too concerned about this.. Rival video poker stinks in my opinion.

[SlotsWizard]

I never play the video poker at Rival, only the slots, so was not too concerned about this.. Rival video poker stinks in my opinion.

Rival's video poker is actually quite nice. The graphics are decent, but the games can sometimes be a bit slow when playing 10 or 25 hands. The paytables are fairly decent too, just avoid the two Joker Poker games since they have the lowest payouts.

That said, I've never really been able to hit anything very decent with it (a royal or 4D+J), but that's just my bad luck.

[TDTAT]

Rival's video poker is actually quite nice. The graphics are decent, but the games can sometimes be a bit slow when playing 10 or 25 hands. The paytables are fairly decent too, just avoid the two Joker Poker games since they have the lowest payouts.

That said, I've never really been able to hit anything very decent with it (a royal or 4D+J), but that's just my bad luck.

My bad.. it stinks for me because I am too lazy to hold my own cards..
I like Microgaming video poker for this reason

[SlotsWizard]

My bad.. it stinks for me because I am too lazy to hold my own cards..
I like Microgaming video poker for this reason

I understand. You have to be especially careful in Deuces Wild or Deuces & Joker because when you get multiple wilds it will hold them and the highest other card, when usually the best play is to hold the wilds only, or four to a straight flush. Or if you're dealt a straight where two of the cards are wilds, the best play is to chuck the other three.

[Zoozie]

Just adding that stupid text to the T&C worries me, though they have not used it yet. Especially since Rival are one of the very few software providers that had solved the bonus-abuse problem with a very good solution. They players could not do anything to breach the T&C since the software prevented that.

Rival's video poker is actually quite nice. The graphics are decent.

That said, I've never really been able to hit anything very decent with it (a royal or 4D+J), but that's just my bad luck.

I also like the Rival VP software. The 4-hands version is my favorite VP platform among all software providers. I like the way the winning cards are presented by highlighting them in size.

Only problem is that I have been extremely unlucky at Rival VP. It is the only software platform where I have never hit a RF (except rogue/cheating platforms). Playing for months at mostly Cocoa and DaVinci I stopped after I passing 5 RF cycles. Of course multihand VP increases the variance, but still it was very unlucky. (<1%). I have had dueces in dueces wild only once in about 4 cycles as well. But still I am almost certain the software is far, I have just had some bad luck and current at about 250 'scare RF's and counting.

The slot I have generally been very lucky with (but they also have the highest payout% you can find online).