Why we cannot win playing European Roulette.

**SlotMonster** · 18th January 2008, 04:40 PM

Hello folks!
In file attached you can find an argument why we cannot win playing European Roulette. It's just my poor effort. Waiting your answers and comments. Thank you!

**GaryWatson** · 18th January 2008, 05:53 PM

I dont have a degree in mathematics but I would say we cannot win on any roulette table because of the 0 or the 1 in 37 house edge. The calculations just confuse.

To put it in English, I would say that for every 37 bets, one is a free spin for the house

**Rob** · 18th January 2008, 05:54 PM

You can probably say the same for most casino games, since they have negative expected value in the long run.

**cheekymonkey** · 18th January 2008, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by SlotMonster

Hello folks!
In file attached you can find an argument why we cannot win playing European Roulette. It's just my poor effort. Waiting your answers and comments. Thank you!

I got as far as:

xi � event i,
pi � probability of event i,
К � general quantity of events, which forms full group

...and gave up.

All I know is when my number doesn't come in, I don't win - hehe.

**Edward D. Wood** · 18th January 2008, 07:47 PM

are your sure about the math...and well...are you sure about posting this..?? as this looks much more like the mathematic proof about my chances getting scarlett johannsen somewhere near my bedroom.

ops...darling....nono i didn`t wrote those lines....really.
sorry guys i have to go. no more pc tonight and tomorrow - the yearly routine-visit at my mother-in-laws`house

**lojo** · 18th January 2008, 07:58 PM

Best of luck with that, Ed.

**KasinoKing** · 19th January 2008, 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by Rob

You can probably say the same for most casino games, since they have negative expected value in the long run.

I disagree with that; not probably and not most casino games - ALL casino games.
Casinos only exist to make money - not to give it away!
If you keep playing any one casino game continuously you will lose - no matter what to do.
But if you use bonuses & switch between games...

**RobWin** · 19th January 2008, 01:07 AM

Originally Posted by KasinoKing

I disagree with that; not probably and not most casino games - ALL casino games.
Casinos only exist to make money - not to give it away!
If you keep playing any one casino game continuously you will lose - no matter what to do.But if you use bonuses & switch between games...

I am living proof legend on that one...and I ain't kiddin...wish I was...

**RobWin** · 19th January 2008, 01:14 AM

Originally Posted by SlotMonster

Hello folks!
In file attached you can find an argument why we cannot win playing European Roulette. It's just my poor effort. Waiting your answers and comments. Thank you!

Dang SlotMonster, this is Friday man...I opened that up and got all dizzy because my head started spinning and I saw flashbacks from one of those college math classes that my wife had to get me thru...oh jeeze...I think I need to lay down...all those math symbols brings back nightmares from my earlier years...

This looks like one for Zoozie to decipher....

**winbig** · 19th January 2008, 02:44 AM

*waves gun around* NO NO NO I WILL NOT TAKE ANOTHER STATS CLASS!

But anyways,

Summary: size of optimal bankroll � negative value, so, playing European Roulette, your total balance will tent to zero. And, soon or later, you�ll lose.

Can't the same be said for _any_ casino game?