Who is this muppet?

[Simmo!]

The affiliate industry, in any sector, will never be able to police itself without some sort of regulation. The barriers to entry are low - you basically just need to be able to design a website - however the path to making an income relies on "knowledge".

The "good" affiliates know their industry and products like the back of their hand. The not-so good ones can make up ground by learning SEO techniques. The crap ones turn to black-hat and often steal a march, though normally for short term gains until they are found out.

Unfortunately, gambling affiliates receive no guidance as to which operators are good and which are not - they have to do their own research and a lot can't be arsed, hence why you end up with sites like the one mentioned who look at things purely from an affiliate angle. And to a degree it's subjective - no casino is liked by everyone, although some rogues are more obvious than others.

But at the end of the day these dodgy affiliate sites hurt themselves too...this thread is one example, another is obviously when a player realised he's been stiffed, that site's lost any trust it had.

The only way sites like that can be ironed out is by legislation along the lines of the new UK regs on who can be represented, but even then it's useless if it's not policed.

[Rusty]

Yeah, I take all your points about policing and I think Lotso puts it best.
I guess it was just wishful thinking on my part and I suppose the best way to go is to show up the bad ones on respected forums.
I understand what you are saying Simmo the bad ones can not be bothered doing the research because they don't care about their cash cows being ripped off as long as they get there pound of flesh.
Still there are worse things in the World.
Why doesn't that make me feel any better, pass the Prozac someone


LOL
Edit
Just re_read the thread title and worked out why Simmo is here.
No offence mate.
There should be a law against muppet discrimination

[vinylweatherman]

www.topboss.co.uk/RTG_Casinos.htm

Haunted Casino theme?

They must have every corrupt/rogue RTG Casino ever squeezed out through the sphincter of Satan!

and not an accredited one in sight

You will certainly feel haunted for a long time if you use this site for your gaming needs.

ps
sorry they have Geisha lounge and king solomons listed which I think are in the accredited list somehow.
Did you know though that king solomons now have a hidden disclaimer for their sign up bonus?

PLEASE NOTE: Players from Ireland, Scotland and United Kingdom will unfortunately no longer be able to claim the Welcome offers until further notice

WTF I thought this lot WERE British. Is there something about this industry that forces casinos to exclude players in some way that reside in their licencing juristiction, or the country that hosts them. It would be like Vegas saying US citizens were not allowed to take up any of the "comps" offered by the casinos - there would be a riot!

Now that WE(UK) are probably the ONLY "first world" country to offer online casinos a proper legal framework, thus forcing the hand of those other EU countries who are trying to follow the US lead, they repay us by kicking us in the proverbials

They should realise that us Brits are no longer standing for this behaviour by big business. Gone is the "stiff upper lip" and "grin & bear it", consumers are now far more militant, and numerous companies have severely misjudged what level of fleecing they can get away with.
The long standing "0870" phone rip off has been dealt a death blow by militant consumer action, yet these same companies have tried to get one over the British consumer YET AGAIN by slipping in the new "0844" phone scam, trying to pretend that 5ppp is the "local rate" for 9:30pm on a Sunday night. I have ALREADY caught "Club World" casino perpetrating this scam, and I am awaiting their reaction to the move by OFCOM to kill the rip off.

UK players should make formal complaints to the Gambling Commission against ANY term that discriminates between UK and other EU countries. If the casino is on the "whitelist" it is ILLEGAL under EU trade laws, ask iTunes - they found out the hard way.

[lojo]

I'm purty sure that I've costs casinos that played games with me or simply didn't pay more than they took from me. 'Harassing' some of their affiliates was part of it. There are still affiliates that post here that promote rogues. Shame 'em...

[jetset]

This has turned into an interesting discussion on affiliates, integrity and professionalism, albeit a little off at a tangent.

I have to agree with Simmo in his well thought through post above, but are we not seeing the glimmerings of at least some affiliates trying to achieve a better standard through membership of sites like CAP and the GPWA and the educational get-togethers they espouse?

Admittedly the powers of these organisations are limited to the opinion of peers, but is it not at the very least a level above the unknowing and/or unwilling to improve?

Edited to add that this is again an area where players can make an impact by sharing experiences and reporting bad conduct....and more conscientious affiliates can distance themselves from the rogues and vagabonds by their own professional behaviour and condemnation of bad practice.

[Simmo!]

Just re_read the thread title and worked out why Simmo is here.
No offence mate.
There should be a law against muppet discrimination

Haha - yeah I admit I saw the thread title and assumed my race was under attack. But some muppets you just can't defend

...but are we not seeing the glimmerings of at least some affiliates trying to achieve a better standard through membership of sites like CAP and the GPWA and the educational get-togethers they espouse?.

Definately. These two organisations are providing some very good - actually, make that excellent - opportunites for affiliates to get together and learn, but I think they would readily agree that their concern is the affiliate and not the player...what they don't do is provide information on which actual casinos or poker rooms are suitable for players - on both sites you'll find casinos advertising who are, shall we say diplomatically, "not among the best" - but they do provide an excellent platform for affiliates to guide each other.

It's great if the affiliates find CAP and GPWA but not all do and it's still down to research, even on those sites.

[Rusty]

Haha - yeah I admit I saw the thread title and assumed my race was under attack. But some muppets you just can't defend



Definately. These two organisations are providing some very good - actually, make that excellent - opportunites for affiliates to get together and learn, but I think they would readily agree that their concern is the affiliate and not the player...what they don't do is provide information on which actual casinos or poker rooms are suitable for players - on both sites you'll find casinos advertising who are, shall we say diplomatically, "not among the best" - but they do provide an excellent platform for affiliates to guide each other.

It's great if the affiliates find CAP and GPWA but not all do and it's still down to research, even on those sites.

Not being an affiliate I was not aware of these organizations.

their concern is the affiliate and not the player

Ideally these would be one and the same so I guess it is down to an affiliate with integrity who knows the industry to set up an affiliates watchdog site that offers advise to its members and shames the bad sites.

I guess in the real World though it is impossible to police the worse offending Casinos never mind their leaching affiliates.

[GaryWatson]

I have to agree with Simmo in his well thought through post above, but are we not seeing the glimmerings of at least some affiliates trying to achieve a better standard through membership of sites like CAP and the GPWA and the educational get-togethers they espouse?

Thats why I was a little surprised to see that B4playing was given the thumbs up by CAP. It appears apparent respectability can be bought & members still have to beware

[lots0]

Most folks around here know I am not a fan of CAP, so I will be brief.

In my opinion CAP is ROGUE.
CAP promotes known rogue casinos, they get new and "innocent" affiliates into the field to promote known rogue casinos and poker rooms, all in the name of earning the owner of CAP 2nd tier affiliate income.

BTW - this idea that CAP keeps the rogues on their "Good" list so the Great Leader at CAP can talk them back into the "good" side is about the biggest pile of smelly, fly infested shit on the WWW today. Not one single ROGUE Casino has been reformed by CAP in their years and years of 'trying'.

Let me ask you all this... Why should the ROGUE Casinos reform? They still get affiliates (and players) directly from CAP, all discussions at CAP about the rogue behavior of casinos they promote is squashed on their forum... CAP protects the ROGUE Casinos and gives No incentives at all for the rogue casinos to reform.

If Players want a REAL organization to protect them (Besides Casino Meister), the players should start a players group that has NO affiliation with any casinos or affiliate groups.

[cyprean]

Most folks around here know I am not a fan of CAP, so I will be brief.

In my opinion CAP is ROGUE. ...
If Players want a REAL organization to protect them (Besides Casino Meister), the players should start a players group that has NO affiliation with any casinos or affiliate groups.

True. It's all about the money for CAP, pure and simple. The rogue casinos can pay a little extra affy income, because they screw their players more often.

It's hard to find the right balance. Here at CM the balance is about right.