can online casinos tighten or loosen the slots?

[LaurieJim]

i have always heard that this can be done at the b/m casinos, micro chips my axx, just wondering if this can be done at online casinos? have you ever told your casino rep your just not having any luck and then ,wham!! you start hitting after being on a dry streak, or is it just pure luck and chance? ......laurie

 

[tim5ny]

I don't have any proof either way but I'm positive ALL casino slot software is developed so that the operator can make choices on the payouts. There's no way I'm gonna believe otherwise. You'll get all kinds off feedback from your question I'm sure, but I doubt you'll get any rock solid answers because anyone in the know is sworn to secrecy. Alot of people say RTG can surely change it and they claim to know the different payout percentage the operator can choose.

Who really knows?? Definitely not us people who play them!

 

[LaurieJim]

I don't have any proof either way but I'm positive ALL casino slot software is developed so that the operator can make choices on the payouts. There's no way I'm gonna believe otherwise. You'll get all kinds off feedback from your question I'm sure, but I doubt you'll get any rock solid answers because anyone in the know is sworn to secrecy. Alot of people say RTG can surely change it and they claim to know the different payout percentage the operator can choose.

Who really knows?? Definitely not us people who play them!

ive heard the same to tim ,about the operators changing the percentages to give another player a better shot at hitting. like you said who really knows?? should be an honest casino rep on here that can shed some light on this? yea right, like they are gonna tell!!

 

[lojo]

Sorry this took so long in queue, got called out for dinner, haven't seen other responses yet...

Of course we can't know, Laurie That would take some of the mystery out of it.

Have you ever read the

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at casino city times? There are tons of good articles in there. The newsletter is good too (if you don't mind wading through questions you already know the answers to) Everything onland is pretty well explained there and I've only found one item to dispute (and that was answered, and proven to my satisfaction) here by a member.

There is also onlinecasinocitytimes, but I find more valuable information right here.

"Can online casinos tighten or loosen the slots?"

Depends on the situation:

Yes. Do they? Mostly no.

From what I've gathered here:

Microgaming - No. No individual operator can adjust them. They don't speak openly anywhere, but we have been assured by Ed Ware, webcaz, and possibly others that the payout percentages are simply set, and the return to player (rtp)% is the same across the board.
Granted, they don't inform us, or anyone else when they change it, but there is no reason to believe they would.
Debatable... if MG gets a 'cut' of all loss action, or if whitelabel or other affiliates now own MG - alll bets are off on their integrity.

RTG - Yes. As far as we know, the software can be tweaked by the operator. (We don't know if the rtp can be reset across all operators by RTG themselves) We've been told by Z, a former software person for them, that operators can't adjust it to 'anything crazy like 80%' (no cite, just memory). And we know from former RTG managers here that it is 'casino-wide' when they adjust it, not account by account.

Rival - Yes. They change their paytables occasionally. Thye don't 'alert' everyone who plays there, but their paytables are available from within the 'help' tab when the game is logged in.

Other 'major players'? I dunno. Software is software... if they seem iffy in any other respect, might as well assume the worst until they assure us (and can back it up with independent audits)

3Dice assures us that their game is fair. There is no reason in my mind to doubt it. We were assured that external auditing is on their agenda. I would be more leary of the ability of a semi-independant casino to skew the odds than a casino breaking into online with all of their online eggs in one basket.

It all boils down to trust.

Half-ass 'regulated' casinos outside of nevada (possibly AC and tunica?) can and will do what ever they please. But John G. at casinocity times has explained the shear improbability of nevada gaming commision casinos 'flipping the switch'. The throughput money lost in the downtime (there's a waiting period after a machine is changed, whether the face is opened or it is done from kiosk) just doesn't add up to a minor adjustment.

But keep in mind the bottom is 75% and the top is wherever they want to set it. so, yeah, I might argue with John.
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Did I answer your question, Laurie? At least I gave you some resources, and if no one else has replied yet (been typing and eating and drinking and watching teevee for a while now) they should. It isn't a tired question, it's a damn good question.

 

[tim5ny]

ive heard the same to tim ,about the operators changing the percentages to give another player a better shot at hitting. like you said who really knows?? should be an honest casino rep on here that can shed some light on this? yea right, like they are gonna tell!!

I don't quite think it's ever changed for an individual player because that would surely be getting dirty, but I think they set times of the day for short periods where they may raise the bar a bit, and then drop the hammer back down for longer periods. Some people may call these waves algorythms .
The design is for the house to make money no doubt, so however it's set up, the downside of the wave takes up a whole lot more of the total than the upside obviously.

 

[lojo]

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The design is for the house to make money no doubt, so however it's set up, the downside of the wave takes up a whole lot more of the total than the upside obviously.

Not if it all ends up at 9x% Why would they bother unless your first assertion is incorrect? Some they win and some they lose

 

[tim5ny]

Not if it all ends up at 9x% Why would they bother unless your first assertion is incorrect? Some they win and some they lose

I'm sure you know more about this than I because I don't even understand what you wrote. I just know that I hardly ever win.

 

[lojo]

Me too, not, also

 

[vinylweatherman]

Fruit

Welcome to the world of UK Fruit Machines

Rigged as hell,

Still open to advantage play

 

[oyw7862]

How I choose casino to play slots.

I don't quite think it's ever changed for an individual player because that would surely be getting dirty, but I think they set times of the day for short periods where they may raise the bar a bit, and then drop the hammer back down for longer periods. Some people may call these waves algorythms .
The design is for the house to make money no doubt, so however it's set up, the downside of the wave takes up a whole lot more of the total than the upside obviously.

I strongly agree.
(Sorry for my Englsih, it is not my 1st language.
I am new to online casinos. And I am a big fun of slots.
I have been playing pokie for years. )
6 weeks ago, I start playing MG slot(thunderstuck only).
I set a bank role (30K) and play in total 5 different casinos.
I try to find out which one is best fit me.
The experience of this 6 weeks give me a strong feeling, the payout does change from time to time. This is not the problem. I knew MG slot has fixed payout,which can not be changed by operator. The real issue is the pattern of payout.
The real good pattern is: the slot can give you big pay out in very few spins, and therefore you have a chance to make decision (keep playing or cash out).
The real bad pattern is: for example, you deposit 100 $, the slots takes 50, then give you 5$ back, then take another 20 and give you 10 back. that makes you always on a losing position.

I recorded every deposit(250$x24=6000) and the highest point I reached.
The result is 3 casinos never pay out more than 150$ wins from my deposits.
The remain 2 casinos:
one casino pay out 1500+ x 1 and 700+ x 2
another pay out 2k+ x 2 and 500+ x 3.
The last 2 casinos actually made me win some money at certain point.

After 6 weeks heavily play through, I lost all 30K, but I chose the casino to play. It at least gives me the change to have big wins at sometime.

 

[lojo]

Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

 

[loganberry]

What I find very strange about all of this are the patterns I have observed during my own play, e.g.

1: Sometimes I win on some of my favourite slots, but nit-a-thong on some of my other favourites. But on the slots I am winning on, everything comes to me very easily. I have no issue with this - it is called gambling!

2: Sometimes I win on some of my favourite slots, but nit-a-thong on some of my other favourites. However I have to work very very hard to get any wins at all. I have no issue with this - it is called gambling.

3: I win on everything - even on slots I very rarely play. I can do no wrong. Just call me Queen Midas. I luv it! But this bothers me.

4: I don't win on anything at all. Zilch. Nada. Nit-a-thong. Just call me Queen Midas-in-reverse. I have no issue with this - it is called gambling!

5: When I first join a casino, I usually have astounding bouts of luck. At first! I luv it! But this bothers me.

6: After I have been playing at a casino for a while, my luck reverts to one of points 1 though 4.

My conclusion? I am convinced there is some type of payment adjustment going on, particularly relating to Point 3 and Point 4. Both of those indicate to me more than 'just my turn to win' or 'a change of luck'.

Point 3: Winning on absolutely everything? I simply don't believe that every game I choose to play can be at the 'maximum payout point' just as I come along.

Point 5: That incredible luck when I first join a casino? This doesn't make sense. My luck should be no better or no worse than casinos I have been playing at for a long time. A casino 'parlour trick' perhaps?

And yet, despite all my misgivings, and what commonsense is telling me, I continue playing. Which says more about me than I wanted you all to know!

But I still remain unconvinced that all software providers and their associated casinos are created equal and that payment adjustment isn't the name of the game!

 

[KasinoKing]

I'm coming up to 7 years of online gaming (just over 3 years of heavy slots play) and I'm still making regular profits so it would be silly of me to say casinos are rigged.
But can they adjust the return %'s?
Well, who knows? I totally empathise with some of the posts above; sometimes it just feels like you're never going to hit jack-schmidt and other times you can't miss. But that's just the nature of the beast.

Personally, apart from RTG which we know can adjust the payouts, I'm happy that most other softwares I play are totally straight & fair at least 99.5% of the time - even I can't be 100% certain!

I have to honestly say I have never personally experienced 'software giving you big wins at the beginning of WR then taking it back at the end'. I have lost near the end of WR a few times, but that's usually down to playing bigger & more risky bets in my impatience which nearly always ends in disaster.

KK

 

[happygobrokey]

it's all "red light syndrome". you only notice what you're looking for.