High Variance - Understanding it - Loving it.

[5times]

first of all, i've had a good time playing at 3dice and i think a lot of casinos can learn from their customer service and payout procedures.

my question is purely out of curiosity since my wife asked me and i suck at math. i had been having good luck playing .25 and .30 cents, but for the last 3 days my luck has been terrible ever since i upped my wagers a little and redeposited. so today, playing supersuits, i went WELL over 1000 spins without a bonus ($540 to $0, betting .45 (most spins) and .75 until the last $100 where i threw some $1.50's and 3.00's)with my wife over my shoulder laughing "no way..." ( i count the number of spins by money lost, so betting .45 = $45 lost = 100 spins, i don't even count the spins from money won so that's how i know it's well over a 1000)

can someone help me and use Enzo'a numbers to calculate the odds on at least 1000 spins without a bonus?

please note, i have had great fun and some great hits that made it entertaining regardless of money lost. in no way should anyone take this as a reason not to play at 3dice because i'm sure the losing streaks are made up for in big hits. this really is just out of curiousity.

my wife (also a slot lover at our indian casinos) won't let me play at 3dice anymore, lol (i make the money, but she's the boss ). i told her that it has happened to me at rtg's too, but she thinks things like that should be impossible. i just want to quantify it so i can explain to her that it's not impossible, maybe just improbable ?

also, if someone has the info, what are the odds of not hitting a bonus in 1000 spins on other games, like cleoptra's gold for example. these numbers would be interesting if only to say, "hey, i just did something that happens once in xxx times or did something that has only a xxx% chance of occuring.

anyway, i know some of you are math geniuses so help me out if you can.

also, good luck to you all and hope 3dice keeps up the great work with their customer service and innovative games (impossibly hard at times, but sometimes sooo fun !!)

hippo925 - I lost $2000 on supersuits yesterday and got 1 bonus, which was 3xscatters and gave a return of $200 (playing at $6 stake so about 30x)

Thinking exactly along the same lines as you really, I left MG due to slots going 500+ spins and not hitting even one feature. To be fair 3dice has been pretty good so far, I've had some good wins and big losses there now too.

Last night I considered closing my account as was really p*ssed at supersuits, I went onto squirrel pike and somehow managed to get back up to $1600 with 2 lots of 4xscatters within say 10 spins so put this one down to a bad streak.

At the end of the day nothing is impossible, I know the frustration as the problem is with supersuits is the wins are rubbish off the normal reels so without the feature you can easily take a big hit on there.

[Zoozie]

can someone help me and use Enzo'a numbers to calculate the odds on at least 1000 spins without a bonus?

You can read how to do it in this thread:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...ric#post157553

But you this was for thunderstruck, you just have to use the number Enzo
provided for the slot in question. However this is the general curve and it will not be much different.

[devils17]

after reading the 3dice threads over here i thought i would give it a try

ive played super suits and had the bonus twice in around 200 spins which is great but ive sank around 1000 soins in the tuts slot at £1 and the biggest win i have had is £16 and no bonus at all

[hippo925]

well, it sucks being the only asian who can't do math but the link zoozie sent gives a general idea of what to expect. interestingly, the odds of hitting the bonus on supersuits and king tut are pretty similar to thunderstruck. ( .065% versus .07%) or (1/155 versus 1/143) i don't play thunderstruck, but from the winner screenshots i know a lot of you do

so if you play thunderstruck, supersuits and king tut should hit bonuses about the same frequency.

so it looks like not getting a bonus on supersuits in 1000 spins is about a 1 in 1000 shot, not getting one in 1300 spins should be about a 1 in 10,000 shot. Enzo said the odds of no bonus in 400 spins is around 8%, 500 spins is 4%, or a 1 in 25.

definitely not impossible. i think i've had hits and runs that were just as statistically improbable (for example, once i got 6 retriggers on tut)

so it looks like i just had a very, very bad and improbable session

but i think it helps to keep things in perspective. so now we know that we should have 500 spins without a bonus only 1 in 25 times. you should go 300 spins without a bonus only 1 in 7 times.

knowing the numbers now, i am sure this is a statistically isolated case and my wife laughing over my shoulder gave me bad luck

[hippo925]

snuck in another deposit (my wife said ok, lol) , still losing but much more fun. i think there is so much psychology involved in slots. hit 3 bonuses on supersuits rather quickly for small amounts, but that has to be rare too, doesn't it? i wonder what the odds are on hitting 3 or 4 bonuses quickly, i bet it's just as rare as the 1000 spins without a bonus...

i swear i think that is what makes the 3dice slots so fun and frustrating at the same time...you just can't predict what will happen.

anyway, hopefully i can make my balance last over the weekend, but already got a few bonuses so i'm happy.

i wonder what is the most spins ever spun without a bonus on any slot?

or the most bonuses ever hit in 100 spins?

anyway, have a great weekend everyone.

[KasinoKing]

snuck in another deposit (my wife said ok, lol) , still losing but much more fun. i think there is so much psychology involved in slots. hit 3 bonuses on supersuits rather quickly for small amounts, but that has to be rare too, doesn't it? i wonder what the odds are on hitting 3 or 4 bonuses quickly, i bet it's just as rare as the 1000 spins without a bonus...

That exactly hits the nail on the head!
If you hit 3 bonus rounds in say 50 spins you could say that you have used up 465 spins worth of bonuses.
This is the pleasure or pain of high variance slots where most of your winnings come from getting the bonus features & not from the regular reel wins; Hit a few good ones in close succession & you're quids in, hit a dry patch & it's like pulling teeth! With high variance you can't have it both ways.

Hope you hit a biggie next time!