Cracking the slot reels - Here you go!

[kimss]

I am pretty sure Crypto got it right, and it would be interesting if someone can crack the reels on one of their standard slots. (freespin slots, no wierd mechanics - maybe the new Thor slot?)

Any TCP packet experts in here? I believe all reels in all games in all casinoes can be cracked easily - since I believe most likely same approach is used when feeding the data to the standalone installation. Atleast MG works this way, I do not think the flash and standalone system differs that much when you get down to the bone of it. As mentioned before, sniffing the packets getting to your machine on a spin - theese packets contains reelposition for each spin, what you won and such. You cant manipulate anything with the data - so I don't look at this as breaking an entry, however one can use this pin point data to accurately place the symbols on the reels. If all were correct you need like 50 spins and you have cracked the reels, however, as mentioned before some positions on the reels going this method is darn hard to get for some (???weighted???) reason...

PM me if anyone has experience with TCP packets.

[kimss]

It is also weird that 5-reel drive has two identical symbols but with different reel-identification numbers.

Kimms, you have any idea why and you are of course sure you did it correct?

Yes i'm very sure, and I can't be wrong either since I'm using MGs own mapping of the symbols,

Seems to me they once made a slot, and tweaked it for a new slot wothout reprogramming the whole slot. They had a symbol to much, and there you go? As a programmer that would by my instant assumption. All programmers are lazy,

[Zoozie]

So Isis and Dolphin tale are not yet in the flash casino?

The 5-reel slots are all weighted as can be seen easy from the reel like
Five Reel Drive. The 9-lines are clones of Tomb Raider or Thunderstruck.
So I will not implement Thunderstruck,SunQuest,Spring Break, Ladies Night etc.. since they are the same, but I will mention it in the slot-analyzer.
And then there is a crazy amount of Tomb Raider clones, and I have already done Tomb Raider, but it is not working before I implement the "bonus not multiplied during freespins".

It would be VERY interesting to get the MG progressives also. Are the in the flash casino? Then we can also see how high the jackpot has to be before payout exceeds 100%

Then there is also the standard slots with the new reel layout like
Flying Circus and Witch Doctor. They are not in the flash yet also?

Also the WagerWorks Cleopatra would be interested if anyone want to crack it the old fashioned way. But I think you can see the reels quite easy on cleopatra.

Zoozie

[kimss]

...progressives...

Sweet, I never saw this option in the flash casino... I'll get creacking right away,

[kimss]

Doh! I have no real accounts left, and I am not thinking of getting any more either. This means it's kinda impossible for me to crack theese reals since I can't get any spins on them. I did two however, but I miss some symbols since I must map from the startup layout. Maby some of you can finnish the job.

Major Millions:
0 - Scatter
1 - Major Millions progressive
2 - Officer saying hey
3 - ???
4 - Airplane
5 - Tank
6 - Top Secret
7 - Medals
8 - Hat
9 - Ammunition box
10 - Googles

Reel 1: 1,9,5,10,7,3,10,8,4,10,2,8,10,6,0,10,7,5,0,10,9,4, 10,6
Reel 2: 1,6,9,3,10,4,8,2,9,5,8,3,7,6,10,0,8,7,4,8,5
Reel 3: 1,5,6,4,5,6,4,5,6,2,5,6,3,5,6,9,0,10,7,5,6,8,7,9,0 ,10,8
Reel 4: 1,9,5,8,3,10,6,8,3,10,5,8,2,9,6,8,4,7,9,0,8,7,4,9, 8
Reel 5: 1,10,5,8,3,9,4,7,3,5,10,0,7,4,6,8,2,7,9,0,7,6

Mega Moolah:
0 - Leon
1 - Elephant
2 - Moskus/bison
3 - Giraffe
4 - ???
5 - ..Deer, tilted head with horns
6 - A
7 - K
8 - Q
9 - J
10 - 10
11 - Feature, Moolan

Reel 1: 0,10,9,6,5,7,8,3,10,7,4,8,9,5,10,2,9,6,5,7,8,3,10, 7,4,8,9,1,10,11,6,9
Reel 2: 0,7,10,9,5,8,7,4,6,8,3,9,10,11,2,6,10,9,5,8,7,4,6, 8,3,9,10,1,5,8,7,9
Reel 3: 0,9,4,10,6,2,7,8,4,9,7,1,8,10,5,7,8,3,6,2,11,10,5, 6,2,7,8,4,9,7,1,8,10,5,7,8,3,6,1,9,3
Reel 4: 0,8,9,10,11,8,1,7,5,6,10,3,9,8,4,7,6,2,9,3,7,5,8,9 ,10,11,8,1,7,5,6,10,3,9,8,4,7,2,6,9,2,7,4,10
Reel 5: 0,6,3,9,10,5,8,9,1,7,8,2,10,7,8,4,7,9,5,6,11,3,6,9 ,3,10,5,8,9,1,7,8,2,10,7,8,4,7,9,2,10,4
(Reels are served twice, but they are identical - the other slots doesnt do this?)
Reel 1: 0,10,9,6,5,7,8,3,10,7,4,8,9,5,10,2,9,6,5,7,8,3,10, 7,4,8,9,1,10,11,6,9
Reel 2: 0,7,10,9,5,8,7,4,6,8,3,9,10,11,2,6,10,9,5,8,7,4,6, 8,3,9,10,1,5,8,7,9
Reel 3: 0,9,4,10,6,2,7,8,4,9,7,1,8,10,5,7,8,3,6,2,11,10,5, 6,2,7,8,4,9,7,1,8,10,5,7,8,3,6,1,9,3
Reel 4: 0,8,9,10,11,8,1,7,5,6,10,3,9,8,4,7,6,2,9,3,7,5,8,9 ,10,11,8,1,7,5,6,10,3,9,8,4,7,2,6,9,2,7,4,10
Reel 5: 0,6,3,9,10,5,8,9,1,7,8,2,10,7,8,4,7,9,5,6,11,3,6,9 ,3,10,5,8,9,1,7,8,2,10,7,8,4,7,9,2,10,4

Missing symbols would be:
Mega moolah, reel 1 - What is the symbol after the K? This would be symbol 4.

Missing Major millions:
What is the symbol after the medals on reel1? This is symbol 3

[kimss]

OK, I did the last progressives, but I need a little help from you people to finnish of the reels. It's very easy work for you, Read comments in red.

Fruit fiesta:
0 - Fruit Fiesta
1 - ???
2 - Bar x3
3 - Ananas
4 - Water melon
5 - Orange
6 - Lime
7 - Plum
8 - Apple
9 - Bell
10 - Scatter

Reel 1: 0,9,5,7,3,5,7,1,0,8,4,6,7,2,6,7,10,6,8
Reel 2: 0,6,3,2,9,6,1,5,7,2,6,3,5,7,0,9,6,4,10,7,4,2,8,3,7
Reel 3: 0,9,6,3,8,2,4,8,3,5,7,9,5,7,10,4,7,1,4,6,8,4,7
Reel 4: 0,9,5,2,8,3,5,6,7,4,10,5,8,1,9,5,6,9,8
Reel 5: 0,5,8,10,5,6,2,7,9,3,6,4,7,9,6,1,4,10,9,3

Symbol 1: Whats the symbol after the plum on reel 1.

King Kashalot
0 - King
1 - ???
2 - Yellow knight
3 - Lady with red hair
4 - Steak/meat
5 - Chicken
6 - Fish and schrimps
7 - Pudding
8 - Plate of fruits
9 - Dragon
10 - ???

Reel 1: 0,5,8,7,6,8,7,4,8,7,1,6,8,7,3,5,7,6,10,5,7,8,4,6,8 ,2,5,6,8
Reel 2: 0,8,6,3,8,9,6,7,5,4,6,9,7,8,6,1,8,7,10,8,7,6,5,7,2 ,8,9,5
Reel 3: 0,6,7,5,3,8,5,7,4,9,8,6,1,5,10,8,6,7,9,8,2,7,8,6,7 ,8
Reel 4: 0,5,6,4,2,6,8,3,7,10,6,2,8,6,7,4,8,1,9,3,7,6,2,8,4
Reel 5: 0,8,2,6,4,3,10,1,4,7,3,6,4,5,2

Missing symbols:
1: Symbol after "pudding" on reel 1.
10: Symbol after "fish and schrimps" on reel 1.

Cash Splash:
0 - Scatter
1 - Cash Splash
2 - ???
3 - Grey 7
4 - Bar x1
5 - Cherries
6 - A
7 - K
8 - Q
9 - J
10 - 10

Reel 1: 1,10,6,8,4,6,8,2,9,5,7,8,3,7,8,0,7,9
Reel 2: 1,7,4,3,10,7,2,6,8,3,7,4,6,8,1,10,7,5,0,8,5,3,9,4, 8
Reel 3: 1,10,7,4,9,3,5,9,4,6,8,1,10,6,8,0,5,8,2,5,7,9,5,8
Reel 4: 1,10,6,3,9,4,6,7,1,8,5,0,6,9,2,10,6,7,10,9
Reel 5: 1,6,9,0,6,7,3,8,10,4,7,1,5,8,10,7,2,5,9,10,4

Missing symbol:
2: Symbol after Q on reel 1.

Lotsaloot:
0 - Lotsaloot (text)
1 - Bucket of gold
2 - 7
3 - Bar x1
4 - firkløver
5 - A
6 - K
7 - ???
8 - J
9 - 10

Reel 1: 0,6,8,3,7,6,5,7,1,8,9,6,4,7,2,9,5,7
Reel 2: 0,9,8,3,4,5,1,9,6,2,5,7,3,8,0,9,7,3,5,6,2,4,5,7,6, 2,7,8,6
Reel 3: 0,9,7,4,5,1,8,4,3,7,8,0,9,6,3,4,7,2,5,7,4,8,6
Reel 4: 0,4,9,6,2,5,8,7,0,5,6,3,9,8,1,9,8,5,7
Reel 5: 0,4,6,3,9,8,2,5,3,9,7,0,4,6,8,1,9,5,7,6

Missing symbol:
7 - alternative a: Reel3, in between 10 and LotsaLoot.
7 - alternative b: Reel3, in between A and K

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Friom what I see there are no more slots to be mapped from the flash casino now, unless they release new games.

[gerilege]

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Analyzing 5 Reel Drive , iterating through all combinations to calculate payout%.
************** Analysis complete *************
Seconds running:1.1
Number of iterations:248832
Total cost:248832
Total added wins:641848
Number of feature starts:0
Base payback(no free spins):2.579443158436214
Probability for getting a feature each spin:0.0
Average number of spins each feature with retriggers (calculated):0.0
Average number of win each feature(in bet size):0.0
Total payout (excact!)= 2.579443158436214~ 257.94%

I have also written an analyzer for the 5 reel drive, and I got slightly different results (275% payout) than you. I ported my c++ program to JAVA for your convinience, and attached it to this post. Could you please have a look whether I made something wrong? It would be very nice if my program could come to the same payout%.

After that I plan to collect some spin data in free mode (1-2000 spins), so I would have some data available about the possible reel weighting. Then I would extrapolate this weighting (use it as input for the simulation), so we could have an approximate payout percentage simulated with the weighted reels.

What do you think?

[Zoozie]

I have also written an analyzer for the 5 reel drive, and I got slightly different results (275% payout) than you. I ported my c++ program to JAVA for your convinience, and attached it to this post. Could you please have a look whether I made something wrong? It would be very nice if my program could come to the same payout%.

What do you think?

Nice job. Still we have a little difference that should be found.

Maybe you can use the following log info from my program:
Number of iterations:248832
Total cost:248832
Total added wins:641848

You have to add all the wins also I think, and what did you get?

[Zoozie]

I found it.

One of us got the paytable for 4 of the top-pay-symbol wrong. I have it at 500 in my simulator while you have it at 1000.

And if I change mine to 1000 I get:
payout=275,63%, just like you did!

I am at work and I can not check the paytable.

[kimss]

After that I plan to collect some spin data in free mode (1-2000 spins), so I would have some data available about the possible reel weighting. Then I would extrapolate this weighting (use it as input for the simulation), so we could have an approximate payout percentage simulated with the weighted reels.

I am doing this now, but on the feature slots. I have a feeling theese are weighted aswell since I know certain reel positions just never happend. I will be collecting a few 1000 spins on several machines, and maby some of you people can program a little piece of software to calculate between the reel positions to see if its random or not? This would be a job for maby you and zoozie?

I'll get back to you later with the data from this, you will get the data like this for each spin:
0,5,10,4,5
10,12,0,0,4
20,18,4,2,1
...

Theese are the reelpositions for each spin, I would think that if reel 1 has 33 symbols, that means reelposition may stop from 0-31. In a 1000 spins we should expect pretty much all positions to spread equaly?

Anyways, You'll here from me a little later when I have accumulated and formatted the data for you. If you have any special games you would like data from (within the flash casino that is) please tell me and I'll start collecting some thousand spins for you.

Great work!