When to leave an RTG game

[babs7262]

Well

Im not sure if this has been noticed or posted but I did a little "investigating" myself to see how they work.

It all started when I was playing Goldbeard one day. I was playing awhile and noticed that the pirates werent showing up at all on the first line. I stopped playing because I figured I couldnt win anything if that reel was gone.

Another time I was playing Honey to the Bee and I said to myself "hmm this odd, I usually get a bonus by now, plus I kept getting the big bee" I did 5 spins at the lowest amount and instead of watching each line, I only watched the last line to see if the "hive" was present and it wasn't!!

From now on....If you play an RTG, first do small spins 5 times, if you don't see the symbol on the line where it gives you a bonus, move on to another game.

This has happened to me several times at different RTG casinos, infact, I went as far as 10 spins without one hive or pirate showing up at all. When I say showing up, I don't mean stopping, I mean it didnt even fly by and wasnt even in the game reel.

Make sure you have a fair play and look out for this glitch or on purpose problem!

[Zoozie]

This is pure coincidence based on a very small sample. If you have a method to determine if a slot is 'hot' you should be very rich.

On average the slots are extremely cold with a payout of 95%. So my advice is always to play them at minimum bet unless you do not mind to pay for the
entertainment.

I am not bashing you, but when I have seen 10 of these post I just have to reply. You are just one in thousands receiving RNG for you game when you play and the RNG does not care of know who it are sending the generated number to.



Zoozie

[Mike031]

If you play an RTG, first do small spins 5 times, if you don't see the symbol on the line where it gives you a bonus, move on to another game.

It's not always so, because sometimes you must lose at first something and there comes really nothing about some spins, but sometimes after these losing spins, you'll get very often a bigger win, so you could never know before, what you'll get in the future

I play only RTG Video Slots and i thought also, that i can see a system, but it's certainly nonsense, because you can't see in the future

[mikepipe]

Well

From now on....If you play an RTG, first do small spins 5 times, if you don't see the symbol on the line where it gives you a bonus, move on to another game.

This has happened to me several times at different RTG casinos, infact, I went as far as 10 spins without one hive or pirate showing up at all. When I say showing up, I don't mean stopping, I mean it didnt even fly by and wasnt even in the game reel.

Make sure you have a fair play and look out for this glitch or on purpose problem!

Very interesting indeed!

I spent a lot of time "inestigating" the RTG slots.
And i am sure that there are patterns (tried to describe them weeks ago in another thread , dont know the name anymore).


How would you judge the situation at Ronin (has the middle line komoku diappeared? sometimes it seems as if...)

It is a bit different at fruit frenzy, where you need 5 symbols on a payline.

Howsoever:
I never play a single RTG slot more than 5 spins in a row. If its hot, it had enough opportunity to show it - if not: leave it!

Therfore i cannot follow your friednly advice, to start with 5 low spins.
I had my wins in the first 5 - or in the respins..

It actually hapens quite often that i hit a feature on the first or second spin (or never, which is even more frequently).

[Zoozie]

I spent a lot of time "investigating" the RTG slots.
And i am sure that there are patterns (tried to describe them weeks ago in another thread , dont know the name anymore).

These discussions seems to pop up again and again, unfortunately. For patterns in games I tried once to give a serious reply in the thread I am linking to. Even with a perfect RNG there will be patterns. Even some patterns you can define before even SEEING the result(I give an example). And the RNG is still working perfect so it is not a contradiction.

Seeing the results and then finding a pattern does not make sense - unless the pattern will emerge every time you repeat the experiment. (A 'global' pattern). And yet even if you find such a patterns, it can ever any useful at all in terms of winning/loosing. You can not beat the house edge, period. Software errors does exist though, but you must talk about software errors then and not the 'cold'/'hot' stuff.

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...ern#post122839
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...ern#post123175

(Sorry for being such a party pooper...)

Zoozie

[mikepipe]

These discussions seems to pop up again and again, unfortunately. For patterns in games I tried once to give a serious reply in the thread I am linking to. Even with a perfect RNG there will be patterns. Even some patterns you can define before even SEEING the result(I give an example). And the RNG is still working perfect so it is not a contradiction.

Seeing the results and then finding a pattern does not make sense - unless the pattern will emerge every time you repeat the experiment. (A 'global' pattern). And yet even if you find such a patterns, it can ever any useful at all in terms of winning/loosing. You can not beat the house edge, period. Software errors does exist though, but you must talk about software errors then and not the 'cold'/'hot' stuff.

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...ern#post122839
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...ern#post123175

(Sorry for being such a party pooper...)

Zoozie

oh - you are not a party pooper.
I simply need some elements of superstition when gambling, and i need only seconds to forget these most rational and smart threads. (as you saw... i had nearly repressed it...).

Yes, this point comes up again and again - its one of the most important or at least fascinating points for slot players.
So, lets discuss this once more, just a little.
Its much better than whining about FOOL CAT s manager, inst it?

[babs7262]

I wasnt posting this out as a "strategy" or how to "beat the system" I'm just pointing out that on certain games the bonus symbol is not present at all and to avoid playing that particular game if you notice that it's not there.

What's the point of playing that game if you know the symbol is missing. I don't have any method or strategy. It's gambling and unless you made the game, I doubt anyone out there can beat the system. I play for entertainment purposes, not to become rich.

I'm just posting because this was something I noticed and wanted to share with the group. Noone has to heed to it. It's just a shame that you can do 10 spins and the symbol (no matter the game) is nowhere to be found. Even in a B&M you see the "spin" symbol on wheel of fortune fly by every spin. You may not get it, but atleast it shows up.

I just don't understand. Sometimes when people share their thoughts to help others out in this forum, it's taken as a "this is how you become rich" or "I found a way to beat the system" thread.

This isnt that. It's just me informing you guys on what I noticed

[GGW Laurie]

i always wondered why this "new version of lobby ready for install" always appears when i log back on to the casino that i have a good balance on . they said it was a rtg thing but seems funny to me.is this normal and has it happened to anyone else?

[Zoozie]

What's the point of playing that game if you know the symbol is missing. I don't have any method or strategy. It's gambling and unless you made the game, I doubt anyone out there can beat the system. I play for entertainment purposes, not to become rich.

The RTG software simulation of the spinning reels has been discussed before, but this is just GUI and should not have any effect on the outcome. But I agree I have also seen wierd stuff in the RTG spinning reels. A test for fairness you be to write down the reels and see if what you see spinning is indeed the reels and furthermore (most important) that all positions on the reels are equally likely to show up. (I did this test with MG software when I made the slot simulator)

Zoozie

[Zoozie]

.is this normal and has it happened to anyone else?

Pretty normal. I even once got booted from the casino when I playing a nice bonus on 9/6 JoB VP. (And I was ahead). When I log back on, there is an update and the paytable was changed to 8/5... This was VIP Lounge btw. - I played there before I realized what group they were part up.

Zoozie