When to leave an RTG game

[GGW Laurie]

Pretty normal. I even once got booted from the casino when I playing a nice bonus on 9/6 JoB VP. (And I was ahead). When I log back on, there is an update and the paytable was changed to 8/5... This was VIP Lounge btw. - I played there before I realized what group they were part up.

Zoozie

so can the casino do this at whim or is it just done by rtg itself ? it always happens when im up on my balance or am making a playthru on comps, ect bonuses. laurie

[Mike031]

i always wondered why this "new version of lobby ready for install" always appears when i log back on to the casino that i have a good balance on . they said it was a rtg thing but seems funny to me.is this normal and has it happened to anyone else?

I'm sure, that's only a Casino thing and not from RTG directly, because i've seen the same thing at SciFi, but they changed their lobby nearly every hour!
But only two difference lobbies and they always switched between these both lobbies and this was also a fact, why i'll never play there, although i've won there more, as deposited, but what sin does it have, when you can only payout $ 500 in one day?

This rule sucks and it's only for very very low rollers, which maybe play only with $ 10 a day

[tencardcharlie]

Being superstitious about gambling is totally cool as long as one is aware that it is only superstition, and nothing else. The problem is that people often believe that those patterns actually can be used to determine when good or bad streaks will occur.

If I make a post that states I usually get luckier when my cat is around, noone will actually believe that that the cat influences the game outcome. However, if I post that I see certain patterns before a winning streak, some people might belive that there is a predictability in the games.

I don't mind if people try to find patterns and develop slot strategies or betting systems as long as it's just for entertainment. I do think it is a good idea to point out that it is just for fun when making posts about it, to prevent people from beliving that the strategies actually works. (and to avoid the endless "does systems work?"- discussions. )

[Kaynos72]

I play mostly RTG slots and goldbeard is one of my prefered. I spend lots of money in that one and from my experience, i tend to agree with the original poster.

Just last saturday i made a deposit of 100$ and start playing goldbeard at 1$ a bet. It was awesome, the pirates were coming all the time on the first wheel and maybe 25% on the last, i was winning constantly, i manage to get ahead up to 325$ in 20-25 min. In that period i got the feature maybe 5-6 times.

Since i'm not a huge gambler i decided to play it safe and made a 200$ deposit and keep playing with the 125$. Well guess what happen ? I lost it all.

The pirates that was coming very, very often on the first wheel, completly stop and i mean completly like in once every 25 spins ! Maybe this is just pure coincidence but i really felt something has happened here. How can you explain such a drastic change ?

It's not the first time i notice that, a slot will pay constantly for a while then turn cold and stop paying for a very long time. It's not a coincidence, their must be something inside the program that look at how it pays and trigger something that makes it pay, then once the slot has paid xxx amount in xxx time, it's turned off and the slot stop paying.

[Simmo!]

On average the slots are extremely cold with a payout of 95%.

And don't forget that also takes into account the Random Jackpot, so in actual fact they are probably a fair bit less than 95% without hitting one of those.

[Mike031]

a slot will pay constantly for a while then turn cold and stop paying for a very long time.

That's correct, because it's at most after a bonus round (free spins) and after that you get at most nothing, so it's time to change this slot directly, after maybe 5-10 spins, because sometimes you'll get directly after free spns the same one again, or a big win, but it's certainly not always so, but it happens to me not so rarly

[vinylweatherman]

Well, if you get a "lobby update" and find your J or B suddenly has a worse paytable, that isn't "superstition", it's the casino up to something. RTG lobbies DO seem to have an awful lot of "updates", yet seemingly nothing changes. It supports accusations made earlier that RTG casinos can and do change the odds for a particular player, either to put them off their stride, or increase the house edge on a game they are doing particularly well at.
Now we are meant to believe the non-appearance of, say, pirates on reel one, is no indication the slot is "mean". This is BS, if it were just the GUI it would ALWAYS show the same things, and these would not relate to the reel stops. if it chages between showing many "pirates" and none, then it is reacting to something - and then there is the case of those two triggers on raindance, followed by the slot freezing, and the bet being voided and the slot effectively resetting.
This is RTG, and I do not have a problem believing that SOME operators are resorting to "dirty tricks", and some ex employees have admitted that some of these so called "errors" really are the casino messing with the player's accounts in real time with on the fly changes when they are winning "too much". Mud sticks, so even with reputable RTG's where such interference is highly improbable, we can easily think it is still happening, rather than accept it is down to the internet, GUI, etc.

[SlotsWizard]

Well, if you get a "lobby update" and find your J or B suddenly has a worse paytable, that isn't "superstition", it's the casino up to something. RTG lobbies DO seem to have an awful lot of "updates", yet seemingly nothing changes. It supports accusations made earlier that RTG casinos can and do change the odds for a particular player, either to put them off their stride, or increase the house edge on a game they are doing particularly well at.
Now we are meant to believe the non-appearance of, say, pirates on reel one, is no indication the slot is "mean". This is BS, if it were just the GUI it would ALWAYS show the same things, and these would not relate to the reel stops. if it chages between showing many "pirates" and none, then it is reacting to something - and then there is the case of those two triggers on raindance, followed by the slot freezing, and the bet being voided and the slot effectively resetting.
This is RTG, and I do not have a problem believing that SOME operators are resorting to "dirty tricks", and some ex employees have admitted that some of these so called "errors" really are the casino messing with the player's accounts in real time with on the fly changes when they are winning "too much". Mud sticks, so even with reputable RTG's where such interference is highly improbable, we can easily think it is still happening, rather than accept it is down to the internet, GUI, etc.

As you may have noticed in some of my recent posts, I have been hanging on to the hope that big-name software brands wouldn't stoop this low. But I gotta say, my most recent RTG session sure felt like 'rigged' like this.

I deposited $100 and was playing Ronin, got a good feature and worked it up to a little over $400 and then played something else (Roulette, I think) and got up to $500. And that's where the decline began. It didn't matter what game I played, I could do nothing but lose. It 'felt' like the server/RNG/whatever was accepting my bets and making sure that it provided an adverse result. I basically blew the bulk of it at Baccarat. Did you see my post in the Suck thread? The history view only shows the most recent 22 hands, but the entire history trail (which I unfortunately don't have a screenshot of) looked much the same. I didn't play much more than about 50 hands anyway (how could I with that kind of 'luck'?). I bet on the banker the majority of the time, and only bet on the player 2 or 3 times. Here's what the Baccarat in real money mode looked like (after having won $400 from Ronin & Roulette):

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After busting out, I logged on in "Fun" mode and played 22 hands - no more, no less, again, betting only on the banker. Here's what that looked like:

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Obviously these are very tiny samples, so make of it what you will.

[lojo]

My observations of Goldbeard have shown me this: You will almost never get a pirate on the first reel if there is now a ship on the first reel. Why?

I do not believe that the first reel is randomly generated. It is just a very long real. It will go through about five 'screens' of symbols each spin for awhile and then it will 'reset'. How it resets is to spin longer, this may be 9 'screens' or 10, or 11.
Also, it seems the first reel is occasionally changed or swapped with another reel.

In thousands of recorded spins only once has the pirate apeared on reel one when the ship was there before the spin. Your mileage may vary

[KasinoKing]

From another thread:-

Also - I think I figured out the Goldbeard mystery.
It's hard to catch, but I think as soon as you click Spin (and the next reel stop is determined), the reel "jumps" ahead to where it needs to be so that it will land on the predetermined position after 1 ~ 1.5 second(s).
I watched it very carefully when I was playing my 50 spins on it, and I saw Goldbeard go by WAY too many times very close to where he had stopped.
The only way that would be possible is if there were a whole bunch of 20 - 30 Goldbeard symbols clumped together, which there are NOT.
So I think the reels probably ARE set up like Microgaming's, but because they spin much slower, they start out in the position that they last stopped in and then very quickly "jump" ahead - you will probably see what I mean if you try it out.
Right after the reel picks up steam, it looks like there is a very quick switch that occurs.
That would explain why you could go 15-20 spins without seeing Goldbeard, and why I saw him way more often than I would have if it spun 100% linearly.
Also, if it didn't "jump" like this, then it appears that the first reel only moves a few symbols on each spin, which can't be the case because then that would mean that it weren't random.

That is EXACTLY my theory on RTG slots, and I was going to post the same thing - so thanks again for saving me lots of typing!

I have always maintained that I can see the spinning reels at RTG & always know before they stop whether I definitely WON'T get the feature.
After getting the first 1 or 2 symbols you need, if you see the feature symbol go past on the next reel you know 100% you will not hit it.

This is particularly easy to see on Goldbeard due to the 3 triggering symbols being together.
After reel 4 has stopped, you need the Pirates to have already just gone past to have any chance of hitting. If you see them while the reel is still spinning you are simple not going to hit it.

I actually find this a bit annoying (like in the 'old days' of RTG when Cleopatra did a 'little skip' right at the beginning of a feature-hitting spin), because it takes away the element of surprise.
So what I do now when I just need one more symbol for the feature, is close my eyes or look away from the screen & just prey to hear bells!